Those Arizona politicians who voted for the Immigration Law should show their death certificates

[zulchzulu]

OK. It sounds like something Lewis Black would say.

And I'd agree.


:rofl:

[Berserker]

1. Don't you mean

Illegal Immigration law? I keep reading about the Immigration Law. Don't we already have laws for legal immigration? Just asking.

[zulchzulu]

3. It's kind of a joke.

I'd like those who voted for the unconstitutional bill to produce their death certificate.

I'm assuming you knew that the same asshats wanted to have birth certificates available to run... and the death certificate... well, you know the drill...

[Berserker]

4. I am all for legal

immigration and against illegal immigration. Please explain why this is bad.

[billh58]

10. You assume,

incorrectly, that Arizona's attempt to enact a "Birther" law has anything whatsoever to do with addressing "illegal immigration" -- or the drug and gang problem. The law was written by a white supremacist, for white supremacists, and passed by bigoted white Republican racists. Its only purpose is to intimidate ALL Hispanics because they are rapidly gaining political Democratic power in Arizona. That it followed closely on the heels of their other "Birther" election law is no coincidence.

Jan Brewer is pandering to Arizona's rednecked voter population, and has given in to Sheriff Joe's demands for more "tools" to use in his pogrom against Hispanics. The Federal government is responsible for enforcing national immigration law, and identifying "illegal" immigrants. If Arizona was actually serious about doing something constructive about this perceived "illegal" problem they would have addressed the Federal Government in the court system.

As it stands, the odds are very good that Arizona's law will be substantially overturned, or altered, in the numerous lawsuits which are in their early stages of planning. I suspect that the rednecked Arizona lawmakers knew that their obscene "law" was badly flawed from the very beginning, and this is just another Teabagger, Birther, right-wing, racist, vote-pandering ploy by the always devious neoconservatives.

To answer your question: there is nothing wrong with being against "illegal immigration." There is, however, everything wrong with being against the Constitutional protections that cover everyone within our borders.

[boppers]

17. I like black people.

Some of them are my friends.

:rofl:

[billh58]

5. Yes, we already have

immigration laws, but the rednecked asshats in Arizona have given themselves "permission" to usurp Federal law, and consider ALL Hispanics "illegal" until they prove they are "legal." Therefore, SB1070 is indeed a law designed to pervert our national immigration laws, along with shitting on the Constitution of the United States of America, and its Bill of Rights.

[Berserker]

6. Do you have

proof of them doing what you say? OR are you saying that's what they will do without proof since the law is not yet gone into effect for illegals?

[billh58]

12. See my post

above. The "proof" is that they have passed another "Birther" law because of their hatred of having an African-American POTUS and CIC. Sheriff Joe has been harassing Hispanics for years, and is under several Federal investigations for civil rights violations.

Walks like a racist, talks like a racist, chances are extremely good that a Republican racist will not hesitate to abuse the civil rights of non-whites. Several law-enforcement groups, the DOJ, President Obama, and many, many others see the very real potential for civil rights abuses in this law, so no I am not just making shit up bubba...

[AtomicKitten]

2. I want to see their birth certificates. Why won't they show them?

:hi:

[Berserker]

7. Is that what the

law reads I am confused with what you are saying?

[AtomicKitten]

8. I was getting all birther on the AZ legislature.

You can't be too sure you know.

[Berserker]

9. I have read the law

have you? I do not agree with everything but I do agree we need to do something about the illegal immigration in this country.

[AtomicKitten]

11. Reid, Schumer & Menendez have started writing a comprehensive immigration reform bill.

on edit: To answer your question, I've read a pretty good synopsis of the AZ bill but have not read the bill itself.

[Berserker]

13. Again we are not

talking about a comprehensive immigration reform bill we are talking about Illegal immigration.

[AtomicKitten]

14. A comprehensive federal immigration reform bill will deal with that.

and federal law trumps state law.

THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE Article. VI. This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

[billh58]

15. "Comprehensive"

immigration reform will necessarily cover the problem of "illegal" immigration, will it not? Dubya wanted to grant amnesty to all, otherwise law-abiding, undocumented aliens already in the country, and then overhaul the the legal immigration policy by granting easier access (and therefore accountability) for Green Cards and day laborers at our neighboring borders, similar to the policies that the European Union has adopted for their member states. But no, his neoconservative, religious-right, racist "base" went absolutely apeshit, and they remain opposed to any sort of realistic reform.

As much as I despise Dubya and everything he stands for, that is one idea that made absolute sense to many Progressive Liberals, including me. Calling for "someone" to do something about "illegal" immigration without offering a workable solution, is disengenuous.

[boppers]

16. First: define the "problem".

I keep hearing about this problem, so.... what is the actual problem?

I don't have a work visa in this country, should everybody be required to get one?

[billh58]

18. You have highlighted

yet another missing link in the so-called "movement" against "illegals": most of those who cry the loudest never cite any personal hardships caused by "illegal immigration."

I often wonder if maybe some of these people have been denied public services because an "illegal" used them all up, or if they missed the opportunity for a grape-picking, or a toilet-cleaning job to an "illegal?"

ALL countries in the world deal with "illegal immigration," and the EU has come up with the most workable solution to date. The problem in the USA is the racist, xenophobic, mono-lingual mindset of the rednecked portions of our country. Sadly, I believe that only time (as they die off and their more enlightened children replace them) will remedy those societal, white-supremacist, "problems."

[LiberalFighter]

19. States do not have the right to enact immigration laws. That is a federal issue.