Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

"The Midterms Don't Matter"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion: Presidency Donate to DU
 
Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:37 PM
Original message
"The Midterms Don't Matter"
Edited on Thu Apr-22-10 11:51 PM by Pirate Smile
And now a different point of view.

I agree that the point of getting elected is to pass legislation to help people and NOT to simply get yourself re-elected. It is certainly natural that Dems would lose seats in a midterm like this, especially after two elections where we picked up lots of seats which we generally never would have but I'm not feeling particularly pessimistic about November. I think Republicans peaked too soon. I hope Dems can get some more decent and important legislation through before the election. Frankly, I think Nancy and Harry deserve a lot of credit for actually getting work done and not getting distracted by focusing on "getting re-elected" (especially Harry).


The Midterms Don't Matter



Yes, the Democrats are going to get throttled this fall. But Obama has had so much success that he can afford spending a little time playing defense.

It’s a strange moment in Washington. With the stimulus bill and health-care reform now law, and serious financial regulation gaining momentum, Democrats are witnessing the greatest run of policy success of my lifetime. The victories have been so large that I suspect some liberal wonks are actually having trouble adjusting. As a liberal (not to mention a Jew who grew up rooting for the Boston Red Sox) I know that when you’ve grown accustomed tragedy, and built an entire communal identity around it, triumph can be destabilizing.

When it comes to politics, however, an arena where Democrats were actually growing comfortable with success after the landslides of 2006 and 2008, things are ugly. President Obama’s approval ratings, which belly-flopped to less than 50 percent over the course of 2009, have been treading water there ever since. Despite some liberal wishful thinking, in fact, Obama and his party’s fortunes now look even worse than before health care passed. On April 12, Gallup recorded Obama’s lowest approval rating ever (47 percent). The next day, it reported that Republicans have opened up a lead in generic congressional balloting (“Which party’s candidate would you vote for if the midterms were held today?”). Intrade now predicts that Democrats will lose seven seats in the Senate and 36 in the House.

All of which makes me feel… pretty darn good. There’s a tendency, especially on television, to judge policy by how it affects politics. That’s because most pundits don’t like judging policy on its own merits. First, it’s hard, since policy questions are often complicated. Second, such judgments undermine the pretense of objectivity that many analysts cultivate. Thus, talking heads often respond to policy questions with political answers. The host asks “Are the Democrats making a mistake by pushing this health-care bill?” And instead of answering: “They sure are, this sucker will euthanize Grandma,” the talking head says, “Well, the polls look bad, this could really hurt them this fall.”

I don’t happen to believe that the Democrats’ policy successes are the reason they’ll get hurt this fall. They’ll get hurt because they run Washington, and Obama has been president for more than a year, and as a result they now own the terrible economy. And since many of their big policy initiatives—the stimulus package, the auto takeover, the bank bailouts, even health-care reform—are being judged on whether they’ve rapidly improved the economic fortunes of average Americans, they look like failures. But even if someone could prove that Obama’s big policy victories were, in and of themselves, politically disastrous, I would still say it’s an excellent tradeoff. Yes, Republican victories this fall will likely wreck Obama’s chances of passing big legislation in 2011 or 2012. But presidents don’t usually pass big legislation in the latter half of their first term anyway. Most administrations are subject to what political scientist Paul Light calls the “cycle of decreasing influence.” A president wins election and gains power over Congress, which generally dissipates unless replenished by a momentous outside event (say, the 9/11 attacks) or another election victory. Particularly if he signs real financial reform, Obama will have milked his and the Democrats’ 2008 victory dry. So what if he plays defense a bit over the next two years, and spends his time ensuring that Republicans can’t pass their conservative agenda even as they ensure that he can’t pass his liberal one? The legislation Republicans block will be less important than the legislation Obama and the Democrats have already passed. Even when it comes to the Supreme Court, the conservative cavalry will be too late. In all likelihood, Obama’s second nominee will already be on the bench.

This is how our system of government is meant to work. Members of Congress are supposed to get elected so they can pass legislation, or not pass legislation, so they can get elected. If, as looks likely, Congressional Democrats get creamed this fall, pundits will spend Election Night pondering what they and the president did wrong. I’ll be thinking about the stimulus, health care and financial reform, and pondering what they did right.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-04-22/the-midterms-dont-matter/?cid=hp:exc


It is Peter Beinart so if you just dismiss anything he says then ... there you go. I just thought it was something to consider.

Edit to add - You still have to fight like hell to win in November. One big worry I have re Republicans taking control is giving these guys who are happy to pander to their crazy-nuts power to subpoena and everything else. The current House GOP makes the House GOP that impeached Clinton look rather calm and measured. That is what I worry about.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:46 PM
Response to Original message
1. If republicons get in it will be bc
they told the biggest lie often enough.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:50 PM
Response to Original message
2. Deleted message
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 12:02 AM
Response to Original message
3. What a concept...actually passing legislation without focusing on political aspects.
Edited on Fri Apr-23-10 12:02 AM by Jennicut
10 years later, the views always change on these things anyway. The Rethug party was never dead after Bush lost, just temporarily hurt...just as the Dems were not toast in the early 2000's, just hurting a bit. Right now, all politicians are pretty low in terms of approval as the economy is the big issue. Dems are in power so they will be hurt the most.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 06:19 AM
Response to Original message
4. So....congress should actually DO IT'S JOB? Well, I don't think THAT
will go over well...but I do think the Democrats have done much better at it than the GOP has in the last 10 years or so, and I think the GOP will be on the short end this November and be pretty surprized by it.


m
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 08:59 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. LOL
"So....congress should actually DO IT'S JOB? Well, I don't think THAT will go over well"

:rofl:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. ...that might take time and effort they would otherwise use to get
re-elected, gather lots of cash from lobbyists and PAC's of screw pages and/or anyone else within reach, not to mention the time spent drunk...

m
( I have a low regard for them as a group, and even the best of them,IMO, is not very good...)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. i share your sentiments.
although, i see no end to the current system in the near future, eventually public funding will have to be seriously considered. i can't think of any other thing that would would have a bigger impact.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. If that were ever to happen, we would see an entirely different type of person
entering elected office,to the great good of us all.
I'd love to see it in my lifetime, but I am getting old...

m
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 08:48 AM
Response to Original message
5. kick
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 08:51 AM
Response to Original message
6. I don't think the Dems will get "throttled" this fall. They will lose seats but I feel the GOP
has peaked as well.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NYC Democrat Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #6
9. it really depends on job numbers from now to november.
if we get good numbers every month Dems do better and losses are minimized if we get bad numbers every month republicans do better and have a chance of taking the house though the senate majority is pretty much out of play for the republicans.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. +1
If this was the attitude of the country in, say, September, I would be worried. As it is I think the Republicans have peaked too soon and will be having moderate to severe outrage fatigue by November. Plus, by then the economy will hopefully continue to improve and we will be better off on that front.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 01:13 PM
Response to Original message
13. This is a sign for us to
off our backside and do some work and that includes me, if I can just get windows to work
wonders for me i will be a'okay.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:18 AM
Response to Original message
14. kick
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 10:40 AM
Response to Original message
15. "It's The Economy, Stupid."
This Clinton era office poster summed it up in a nutshell. If the economy is on a roll by late summer we will have a good mid-term election (that may still mean small losses). If un-employment remains high I suspect we will lose up to 24 seats in the House and 3-4 in the Senate. Either way we are still in control of the House Senate and White House. Not a bad place to be.

mike kohr
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 11:21 AM
Response to Original message
16. Things I knew going into 2008
That if a black guy was going to win over an old white guy for president that the country HAD to be pretty bad off.

If Obama won that part of the reality that went with the circumstances was he might not get it turned around quick enough to win a second election much less keep the ball rolling in the dems favor in congress.

What I didn't figure was that Obama would not be as good as getting his message out as he was during the election and that the Dems would not realize that they had to hang together and help him get the message out.

Been sort of let down that Obama did not really push a lot of issues like the public option or other things that actually polled well, meanwhile embracing certain things that did not poll well.

Also feel the financial crisis was a great opportunity for Obama and the dems to attack conservativisim it'self but they have been far to conciliatory.

I think Obama messed up by maybe not having some cabinet members like Howard Dean that would have been more bare knuckle against the GOP.

Why instance is it that people like Dean and others who call the GOP out are somewhat distanced by the Dem establishment where Republicans who say outrageous things are embraced by the majority?? I think rather than coming in in the compromise position and bargaining even further down we should have come in strong and aggressive and then gone to the middle.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 11:10 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion: Presidency Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC