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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 10:28 PM
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Nate Silver: "GOP close to maxing out gains." (in Congressional take-over momentum)
Edited on Thu Apr-22-10 10:28 PM by Clio the Leo
Senate Forecast Update: Little Chance of GOP Takeover, but Dem Position Remains Precarious
by Nate Silver @ 12:01 AM 4/23/04

Although national trends continue to move slightly toward the Republicans -- since the start of the year, our senate model's trend estimate has them gaining ground on the Democrats at the rate of about 1 point per month in a typical race -- that momentum was offset this month by recruiting failures in Wisconsin and New York, where Tommy Thompson and George Pataki declined to run. Therefore, our simulation projects Republicans to gain a net of 4.0 Senate seats in this November's elections, a figure unchanged since last month.

However, this figure is somewhat misleading: although the model expects the Republicans to end up with 45 seats on average, it also thinks they'd end up with 48 seats if the election were held today. The reason for the discrepancy is not because the model is predicting a shift back in momentum toward Democrats before November; it makes no assumptions whatsoever about this. Rather it is because, if there were to be such a shift, the Democrats would be a position to hold or flip several seats (such as Colorado, Ohio, Missouri, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire) that they now narrowly project to lose. A large shift could also put North Carolina, Kentucky, Nevada and Indiana into the Democratic column. The Republicans, on the other hand, are close to "maxing out" on their potential gains, other than perhaps in Illinois, California, and Washington if Dino Rossi runs there.

The Republicans now have only a 6 percent chance of an outright takeover of the Senate, according to the model. Note, however, that our simulations had also shown this possibility to be somewhat overstated to begin with; it would have required a clean sweep of all competitive races, as well as a recruiting success in New York or Wisconsin. The Republicans' best chance to flip an off-the-radar race is now in Washington state, where they have a 12 percent chance to win Patty Murray's seat overall but a roughly 30 percent chance if Dino Rossi runs. The Republicans also have a very small chance of flipping Wisconsin (5 percent), Oregon (3 percent) or New York (3 percent). The simulation does not account for the possibility that someone like Ben Nelson or Joe Lieberman would switch parties, which is perhaps their most likely path to 51 seats at this point.

A substantial shift in the national momentum could still benefit Democrats, who do have a number of opportunities to play offense, such as in Ohio and Missouri. They retain a 7 percent chance of actually adding one or more seats and restoring a 60-seat majority. In general, however, the range of possibilities has narrowed somewhat.

more...
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/04/senate-forecast-update-little-chance-of.html
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 10:30 PM
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1. But... but.... DUers are all convinced that we're doomed! DOOMED I TELL YOU!!!!
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 06:37 AM
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9. Anyone who worries or is gleeful on any side at this stage is an idiot
We're more than half a year away and a week is a lifetime in politics

Hell, the primaries aren't even over in many of these states

The only thing I know for sure is we won't win the SD Senate Race because no Democrat filed
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 08:55 AM
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13. Right on
Politically, between now and November is a life time away. It is way premature to say that Republicans will make sizable gains or that the Dems will hold the Senate and the House.
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Dr Morbius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 11:40 AM
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23. Well now, while I agree in large part I wouldn't go so far.
If being worried motivates one to get off one's duff and start working to help the party win in November, I am just fine with Democrats being worried. Panic, however, there's no need for.

It looks dismal in Illinois, too. Hopefully Mr. Giannoulias is a strong campaigner; he'll have to be to win.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 10:31 PM
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2. good stuff.....K&R
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 10:41 PM
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3. Nate uses the math so he is right much more than he is wrong.
This Senate prediction seems solid. 4 seats to the Repugs.

We hold the majority. The real question is whether we will hold the majority in the House. I think we will, but the repugs will make some gains there too.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:11 PM
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7. There's no question we will hold the house
Right now, it's 254 to 177. The lowest reelection rates we have seen in 20 years were in 1992 and 1994, with 88 and 90% respectively. There are only 28 open seats so far, and, most importantly, they are evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans.

Let's assume a catastrophe, wherein only 85% of House Democratic incumbents get reelected. We would still see a Democratic majority, even if the Republicans won all the open seats, which won't happen either.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 10:43 PM
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4. now if dems only had a national and effective PR mechanism goin....hmmm nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 10:54 PM
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5. Yep. If they only had a national and radio media kissing their ass
all of the time like the Republicans do...than we'd be in excellent shape.
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:04 PM
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6. You just keep thinking Butch. That's what you're good at.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 06:22 AM
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8. All the huffing and puffing from the right and hand wringing from the left...
will likely amount to nothing.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 07:35 AM
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10. William Krystal says that Republicans will gain seats...
ergo, Republicans will lose seats. Bet on it.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 08:34 AM
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12. No, they will make some gains in the Senate and house but I don't think it will be enough
for them to win either chamber.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 09:00 AM
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14. Yes, but even a modest pickup in the Senate will make things much more difficult for us.
Right now they are making things difficult with only 41 seats. Imagine what they could do with 45.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 09:31 AM
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16. The Conservative Dems make things difficult.
There won't be a huge change in how the Senate (dis)functions.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 09:30 AM
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15. I'll take that bet.
Dems will lose some seats. The question is how many.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 10:04 AM
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18. You're betting AGAINST the stupidity of William Kristol?
You Fool! You Magnificent FOOL!

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 10:08 AM
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20. I am betting against the stupidity that
Edited on Fri Apr-23-10 10:09 AM by tekisui
you seem to think Dems will gain seats this year. That just isn't going to happen.

ETA: It is a certainty in the House, and likely that Dems will lose about 4 in the Senate.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 08:34 AM
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11. the senate picture is certainly better. I also think we could flip a couple of GOP seats which
would hold down potential Dem losses.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 09:40 AM
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17. ROLF. They always peak too early.
Just wait until the Fall after everyone has had to listen to their ranting bullshit all summer!

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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 10:07 AM
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19. Peaked WAAAAY Too Soon, It's All About TIMING
Not that we should get complacent, but Nov. is going to be very, very different than what the pundits are predicting. Mark my words.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 11:13 AM
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21. Premature ejack .. probably due to the all teabaggering..
;)
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 11:27 AM
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22. LOL!
Yeah, a good teabagging has that effect! :rofl:
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