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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 08:56 AM
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"Bachmann, who is by most measures stark raving mad, didn't disappoint."
Edited on Mon Mar-29-10 08:57 AM by babylonsister
Well-deserved smackdown of Schieffer and the Sunday a.m. questionable guests. Who decides the line-up, and why did they lower themselves?

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_03/023092.php

OFFERING ODD VOICES TO FACE THE NATION.... CBS's Sunday morning show, "Face the Nation," offered viewers quite a line-up yesterday. The week Americans saw Democrats deliver on some historic breakthrough victories, the lead guest was Sen. Jim DeMint (R) of South Carolina, arguably the Senate's most right-wing member, who had no role whatsoever in shaping any of the policies at hand.

After his interview, DeMint was followed by Rep. Michele Bachmann (R) of Minnesota, arguably the House's most right-wing member, who had no role whatsoever in shaping any of the policies at hand.

The final guest was DNC Chairman Tim Kaine. When Sunday shows look for "balance," this is generally how it works.

Bachmann, who is by most measures stark raving mad, didn't disappoint. Given the national spotlight, again, the Republican extremist made a variety of ridiculous. To its credit, "Face the Nation" published a sort-of fact-check piece online after the program.

"{N}ow we have the federal government taking over ownership or control of 51 percent of the American economy. This is stunning. Prior to September of 2008, 100 percent of the private economy was private."

Ms. Bachmann offered no facts to back up her assertion that the government owns or controls 51 percent of the U.S. economy.

According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis data since 1929, the highest percentage of government spending as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product was during World War II when government spending was 47.9 percent (in 1944). The lowest level of government spending as a percent of GDP was 9 percent in 1929 at the outset of the Great Depression.

At no time during this period was the United States' GDP 100 percent private.


Bachmann proceeded to pretend that the stimulus and the financial-industry bailout were effectively the same thing, and claimed that the New England Journal of Medicine published a survey that found American physicians planning to leave their profession in the wake of health care reform. Bachmann was wildly wrong on both counts, and the online piece made note of reality.

And as much as I give the show credit for noting the facts in a follow-up piece online, I have two related questions. First, why on earth couldn't the show's host, Bob Schieffer, know enough about the subject matter to alert viewers to reality during the interview? Bachmann's absurdities are not new; she's been repeating them constantly of late. A little pre-show research would have made it obvious what she was going to say on the air. Aren't hosts paid to prep before the interviews, and don't they have a responsibility to pushback against obvious lies?

Second, for crying out loud, why invite Michele Bachmann onto "Face the Nation" in the first place? It's not like she's proven herself to be an insightful, thoughtful, and effective federal policymaker. More accurately, she's an embarrassment to herself and the institution. Sunday shows are not supposed to be circus acts, giving microphones to the nuttiest clowns the producers can find available.

—Steve Benen
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 09:10 AM
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1. Great article. Highlights what's so fucked up about today's "media".
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 09:12 AM
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2. I've decided that the media is giving Bachmann and Palin so
much coverage so they can drill it into the public's head just how crazy they are and how dangerous it would be to elect/keep such lunatics in office. That's the only positive reason I could come up with.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 07:00 PM
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25. I wish I could agree with you......
but I'm afraid what we are seeing is the normalization of nuttiness and ignorance - acceptance of behavior that not long ago would have been considered outrageous, or at least laughable, in the political arena.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 08:39 PM
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27. There is no positive reason..only negative reasons why these certifiable psychopaths
Edited on Mon Mar-29-10 08:39 PM by BrklynLiberal
should be given public forums thru which to spread their insanity.
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IthinkThereforeIAM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 09:59 PM
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31. My sentiments, too...

... I didn't watch Face the Nation, so I am kind of wondering what Scheiffer's facial expression was, did he wink and grin? go bug eyed and nod?
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 09:16 AM
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3. Exactly why I turned all the Sunday Political Talk shows off! They were all stacked with nay sayers
This is not theater you idiots, it is real life tragedies and the GOP is the Party of No No and more NO!
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 09:18 AM
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4. Schieffer's just a lightweight newsreader but he's got that 'old guy gravitas'
He's gotten way too much credit over the years for being any sort of serious journalist.

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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 09:48 AM
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7. True, Schieffer is an idiot. He'd be fired if he had any sense.
Most of them would.

The media has failed our democracy in the worst way. But what else would you expect from corporations who are part of the war machine?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 08:40 PM
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28. If he were a piece of fruit, he would be in the garbage can a looooong time ago.
Edited on Mon Mar-29-10 08:40 PM by BrklynLiberal
He is attracting flies.
If he ever had a prime in his career, he is way past it.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 09:33 AM
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5. Gee this is really good. Think about it.
I am a doctor I have put hundreds of thousands of dollars in to an education. I have spent many many years in the pursuit of this education. I wanted to get this education to help people. Now because I have a good chance to help more people, people who won't be denied health insurance, people who will be saved from certain death, I decide to give up this profession because the government passed a bill to help people.

Well if I did, then I didn't have the feelings for the profession I said I had when I went into it. And I don't know how in the world I would make a living. JOBS ARE HARD TO FIND OUT THERE. JUST LET THEM GO OUT AND LOOK. And bachmann expects most rational honest Americans to believe this pap. Course most of the stuff they spew is made up, this is also.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 09:39 AM
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6. Of course, Bachmann and Tim Kaine agree
that Barney Frank should not have equal rights, and both of them cite their religion as the reason for their harmony in opposing basic human rights for others. Did they talk about that, how they share a faith and a set of prejudices? They sure should have!
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 09:49 AM
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8. Sure the (R) base is hanging on every word, but the sane majority are just rolling their eyes...
and contemplating about electing someone, anyone, else. Even a Dem.

I think the MSM are doing an unintentional service by giving the RWWackjobs this constant, disproportional exposure. As long as the few (D) guests continue to speak calmly on the facts, it only further highlights the disparity between the parties.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:05 PM
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12. i hadn't thought of it that way. good point. eom
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 10:56 AM
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9. "Sunday shows are not supposed to be circus acts..." Au contraire, that's exactly what they want.
The more entertaining, the bigger the viewership. The bigger the viewership, the bigger the ad revenue.

Steve Benen is naive if he thinks that the networks put these Sunday "News" shows on out of some kind of altruistic sense of civic responsiblity and a desire to produce substative discussion of the important political issues of the day.

These shows are about capturing audience share, so guess what; "giving microphones to the nuttiest clowns the producers can find available" is a winning strategy for them.

sw
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 11:11 AM
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10. Wes Ckark will destroy her lying insane ass..nt
Edited on Mon Mar-29-10 11:11 AM by and-justice-for-all
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 11:16 AM
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11. George Will and Peggy Noonan rambled on with lies unopposed on Meet The Press
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=251307&mesg_id=251307

I watched Schieffer's Face The Nation as well and literally could not watch either DeMint or Bachmann enough to even want to waste time on their commentary. It was as though Schieffer wanted to have them on to embarrass them into some nutjob screed but didn't have the skills or energy to get some choice morsels of madness.

I thought Tim Kaine did well and composed himself admirably... he could have taken Schieffer to task for even inviting both DeMint and Bachmann on in the first place.


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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:06 PM
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13. I agree with your second point about why would they have Bachmann on but
once the decision was made to let her loose, there was no way Schieffer could prepare for all the different kinds of crazy she might spout.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:38 PM
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14. It's useless to post an online fact check of bachmann
most people won't see it. The time to fact check her is when she's on the show. Isn't that what Schieffer's job is? You know--as a journalist? To call bullshit on bullshit?
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:57 PM
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15. Bob Schieffer knew what Bachmann would say.
Letting her lies go unchallenged wasn't a lack of preparation by the TV "journalist" -- it was standard procedure typical for today's political talk shows. Facts and insight to inform the audience are not the objective here. Entertainment value, ratings, and furthering the agenda of the media owners are what it's all about.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 03:57 PM
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16. nevermind schieffer himself -- he has an entire production staff whispering in his ear
if they were interested in on-air fact-checking and calling out right-wing b.s., they easily have the means to do it, even if the host/anchor/talking head/moderator/whatever is caught off-guard.

they're obviously not interested in it. calling out lies is only interesting if you can pin a lie on a democrat (even if you have to lie to do so, as they did with gore.)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 04:07 PM
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18. +1
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 04:07 PM
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17. The Dems have an historic week and who does
Face The Nation have on? demint & demented..to cement their mediawhoredom in history.

Tim Kaine to balance?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 04:14 PM
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19. Media does have a responsibility to bring out the truth, but they seem to live for controversy
Edited on Mon Mar-29-10 04:18 PM by flpoljunkie
And, damn the pursuit of truth!
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 06:07 PM
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20. Whoever own Bachmann also owns Face The Nation. Period. nt
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 06:12 PM
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21. NPR today on the way home mentioned a survey saying ~40% of docs would quit or retire early
if the legislation passed.

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 06:17 PM
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22. Schieffer has a disturbing number of advocates even here @ DU
But I've never found him to be anything but an unambiguous sounding-board for the Right.


His performance this past weekend surprises me not a bit.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 08:41 PM
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29. I could never really get past the fact that his brother is a REALLY CLOSE friend of
Edited on Mon Mar-29-10 08:42 PM by BrklynLiberal
gwb, aka pres shit-for-brains.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Schieffer
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 09:07 PM
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30. meh
brothers do stupid shit. can't blame their siblings for that.

that said, Schieffer is still not someone I'm into.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 06:36 PM
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23. If you don't have anything, just make the shit up
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 06:54 PM
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24. Bachmann get invited on TV only because she makes
sensational and extreme RW statements. Media thrives on sensation,
not dull speakers.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 08:36 PM
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26. Sad, pathetic and borderline criminal.
If Bob Schieffer ever was a reputable newsperson, that is so far int he past as to be a vague memory.
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