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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 10:06 AM
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Opinion: 18 Myths About Health Care Reform Bill Revealed
(March 19) -- The Firedoglake health care team has been covering the debate in Congress since it began last year. The health care bill will come up for a vote in the House on Sunday, and as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., works to wrangle votes, we've been running a detailed whip count on where every member of Congress stands, updated throughout the day.

If the American public is going to be mandated to pay almost as much to private insurance companies as they do in federal taxes, they ought to know what they're getting. So, we've also taken a detailed look at the bill, and have come up with 18 often-stated myths about this health care reform bill.

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Myth 1: This is a universal health care bill.

Fact: The bill is neither universal health care nor universal health insurance. According to the Congressional Budget Office:

* Total uninsured in 2019 with no bill: 54 million.
* Total uninsured in 2019 with Senate bill: 24 million.

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Myth 4: The bill will make health care affordable for middle class Americans.

Fact: The bill will impose a financial hardship on middle class Americans who will be forced to buy a product they can't afford to use. A family of four making $66,370 will be forced to pay $5,243 per year for insurance. After taxes and basic necessities, this leaves them with $8,307 in discretionary income -- out of which they would have to cover clothing, credit card and other debt, child care and education costs, in addition to up to $5,882 in annual out-of-pocket medical expenses for which families will be responsible.

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Myth 6: This bill provides health care to 31 million people who are currently uninsured.

Fact: This bill will mandate that millions of people who are currently uninsured purchase insurance from private companies, or the IRS will collect up to 2 percent of their annual income in penalties. Some will be assisted with government subsidies.

Myth 7: You can keep the insurance you have if you like it.

Fact: The excise tax will result in employers switching to plans with higher co-pays and fewer covered services. Older, less healthy employees with employer-based health care will be forced to pay much more in out-of-pocket expenses than they do now.

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Myth 12: The bill will provide immediate access to insurance for Americans who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition.

Fact: Access to the "high-risk pool" is limited, and the pool is underfunded. Only those who have been uninsured for more than six months will qualify for the high-risk pool. Only 0.7 percent of those without insurance now will get coverage, and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services report estimates it will run out of funding by 2011 or 2012.

Myth 13: The bill prohibits dropping people in individual plans from coverage when they get sick.

Fact: The bill does not empower a regulatory body to keep people from being dropped when they're sick. There are already many states that have laws on the books prohibiting people from being dropped when they're sick, but without an enforcement mechanism, there is little to hold the insurance companies in check.

http://www.aolnews.com/healthcare/article/opinion-eighteen-myths-about-the-health-reform-bill-debunked/19406480

We all want a healthcare bill to pass, and goodness knows that this country is in dire need of healthcare reform, but is this the bill that we want passed?

:(
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 10:08 AM
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1. Yes, even Hillary wants it passed n/t
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denimgirly Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 06:54 PM
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25. Hilary is a DLCer ... of course she wants it to pass.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 10:08 AM
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2. FDL = LOL!
:thumbsdown:
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 10:10 AM
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3. Exactly
FDL is a bad joke way past it's prime
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 10:15 AM
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5. FDL is now a joke on this board?
Why? Is any of the information on this article erroneous?

;(
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 10:17 AM
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6. They forgot to mention the "Death Panels" in the Bill
Edited on Sat Mar-20-10 10:17 AM by jpak
yup

:D
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 10:21 AM
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8. Are you equating FDL with The Tea Party nuts????
:crazy:
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 10:43 AM
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13. I think that stemmed from one of their prominent bloggers equating FDL with the tea party nuts.
Unfair or not, it stuck.

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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:06 AM
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18. I didn't know that.
I wonder what was the context.

Thanks for the clarification.

;)
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:09 AM
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19. It was one of those
Edited on Sat Mar-20-10 11:12 AM by izzybeans
ideas where the grievances were similar so we should be recruiting some of them to our cause. I can't disagree with some of that sentiment. Thom Hartman also discussed the same thing. We've just become so polarized internally as a movement and externally from our opponents that after the shit hit the fan in 2007/08 its now flying in all directions. So some people are riding one wave of shit and others are surfing the rest and never the twain shall meet. or when they do, those flying by on a different stream of shit have a visceral reaction to it.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 06:28 PM
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24. It's one of the many manic marginalizations of FDL.
The shrillness depends entirely on which Rahmmie is posting the garbage.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:15 AM
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20. Ham Janeshire
or whatever her name is, it seems as irrelevant as the other teabaggers, signing up with Grover Norquist to kill health care puts her squarely with the teabggers, the PUMAs and the other rejects who failed in November 08 and will fail again.

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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 07:40 PM
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29. +1 You said it! n/t
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 06:27 PM
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23. the rahmmies have decided that FDL is *the ENEMY*
Too bad they cannot see that they act as bad, if not worse, than many of the real enemies - the pukes.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 09:28 PM
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34. Apparently so.............
:(
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 10:13 AM
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4. So are they real myths or is this is an fdl opinion, and why should
I care that they're using whatever means necessary to knock down something that will be pretty good for a lot of people in this country that have nothing?

Getting tiresome, they are.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 10:19 AM
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7. Because if they are correct,
then we are being given a stinking pile of dog poo and we are being asked to like it. It is at least worth discussing the merits of the article.

;)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 10:24 AM
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10. Can't recall that they've been correct about anything lately, so
I'm not really caring what they have to say. I'll listen to people like Sanders, who they've recently publicly dismissed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7962615

And since I don't care, I am now sorry I wasted my energy responding! :D
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 10:22 AM
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9. aol = lol also
Edited on Sat Mar-20-10 10:24 AM by shraby
Big time right wing operation.

This sentence in it doesn't even make sense. I doesn't compute properly
A family of four making $66,370 will be forced to pay $5,243 per year for insurance. After taxes and basic necessities, this leaves them with $8,307 in discretionary income
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 09:39 PM
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36. ha! I just posted down list about #4.
Crazy talk.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 10:36 AM
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11. Okay, I guess the "Firedoglake health care team"
are much smarter on this issue than Nancy Pelosi and the other representatives who have spent years researching/working on this. Right.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 10:42 AM
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12. This is not the bill the House had wanted to pass.
As for politicians, I trust them as far as I can throw them, which is not much at all. Although, I do hope that FDL is wrong and this bill ends up being better than predicted when its implemented. We'll just have to wait and see, won't we?. Just in case, I'm bookmarking this article for future reference.

:D
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 10:48 AM
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15. I know what you mean about the politicians
:-( All along I have wondered why we aren't seeing some of the details as to what it's going to cost families and individuals for a yearly premium. I guess those costs can't be accurately stated because everyone's needs are different :shrug: I think the public in general would have a lot more comfort with this thing if our elected officials would spell out how this will affect them. Maybe they are waiting for the final result.

I'm going to bookmark it too, so if and when we see some details of the final product, we can see what's up. :hi:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:04 AM
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17. I don't trust the vast majority of them, regardless of party.
The whole process has been messy to say the least and the end product will leave much to be desired. It's amazing how easily politicians change their minds and compromise their principals. Well, we'll see how this bill will impact regular people once it becomes law.

:hi:
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 10:46 AM
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14. Failbaglake
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 10:50 AM
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16. Duplicate thread.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:46 AM
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21. Isn't FDL basically Teabagger Central these days??
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 06:59 PM
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27. Yes.....I believe they joined forces. Fuck em n/t
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:09 PM
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22. FDL = FAIL
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 07:36 PM
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28. Yep, unrecc. nt
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 06:57 PM
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26. Fuck Fire Dog Lake.. n/t
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 08:16 PM
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30. Bea, I don't know what to think about this bill. I support it, but I'm also worried
that we might be getting bamboozled.

It's nothing like the bill that I wanted... and I can't help but think that Hillary would have been more adamant about a public option. I really don't think Obama really ever cared about health care like Hillary did/does. Also, after her failed attempt in the 90's, I think she knew EXACTLY how to tackle the problem (and she would have been much more effective at strong-arming Congress to get a public option QUICKLY - while we still had huge political capital after the horrid Bush years).

I still remember early in the Obama Presidency some of the usual suspects chastising me with their nonsense that Hillary FAILED in the 90's, and that Obama would succeed and deliver a STRONG public option FOR SURE. What a joke. They have egg on their faces.


It's VERY frustrating! I'm still hoping that this will be a start. Let's hope the joke isn't on the American people.


By the way, :hug:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 09:20 PM
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32. I hear you, my friend.
I'm disappointed that with the kind of majority the Democrats had in Congress, plus having a Democrat in the WH, this is the bill we are ending up with. Watered down, eviscerated and compromised to death. Well, we sure as hell will have years to ponder its merits, as it will affect all of us for better or worse. Hopefully, its for better.

These are not the 90s, I was hoping for something better this time around.

:(


Hugs......

:hug:
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 08:36 PM
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31. How many times must it be said? You have to start SOMEWHERE.
Why is that so hard to get?

Why do people think these hateful, obstructionist Republicans would make anything more progressive any easier to get from the go?

:eyes:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 09:25 PM
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33. Something may be better than nothing.
But it will all depend on what's in the final bill. I don't trust them. As for the Republicans, they weren't really needed. The Democrats screwed the pooch all by themselves. Meaning that, with our super majorities in both houses, the bill should have been a lot more progressive than it is.

Oh, well.......

:-(
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 09:57 PM
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38. That's EXACTLY why I support the bill. I think there is a good chance that it is a start.
Right or wrong (and we won't know until later)....


I support the passage of this bill.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 09:38 PM
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35. The "truth" about Myth #4 makes no sense
Paying $500 a month will reduce a family making $5500 per month (before taxes) down to take home of $692.25?

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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 09:51 PM
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37. So which Hillary Clinton is it?
Is it the Hillary Clinton fanned by the disgusting scum that you see at sites like PUMA PAC, Hillaryis44, NoQuarter and Hillbuzz, who think that the President is some kind of Communist, attracted by her disgraceful, sick "hard working White America" campaign, or the idiots over at the Riverchuckee who think that Obama is sell out because he can not force the bitter PUMA dead ender in the Senate Evan Bayh to become progressive?

Hillary Clinton is no saint. She would have been lucky to get elected because she had no money left in her campaign funds, never mind secure the election of 60, yes very diverse Democratic Senators and a yes a diverse Congress.

Hillary lost - on all metrics - so two years later get over it.
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