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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 12:25 AM
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Pass & Patch- important unknowns for hcr are swing voting Dems in the House, not Senators,not Repubs
Pass and Patch

27 FEB 2010 08:31 PM

by Jonathan Bernstein

It's really good that Sheryl Gay Stolberg and Robert Pear have figured out that the important unknowns for health care reform are swing voting Democrats in the House of Representatives, not Senators (and not Republicans). There's some excellent reporting in their story, which is headed I guess to the front page of the Sunday Times. This is a hard story to report, I would think. The odds are that the margin of difference is eventually going to be Democratic Members of the House who want the bill to pass, but want to vote against it. The trick for Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama is to get enough of those reluctant Dems to actually vote yes. Given that situation, it's highly unlikely that any reporter could really get much out of the swing voters, but Stolberg and Pear do a good job of attaching some names and stories to the uncertainty.

However, it would be nice if they got the basic facts of the parliamentary situation right. As Steve Benen has taken to shouting, it's not true that the Democrats are passing health care reform through reconciliation; they're actually planning to pass two separate bills, the main body of health care reform that passed the Senate on Christmas Eve Day, and a second reconciliation "patch" with relatively small modifications in the first bill.

This isn't just semantic; the procedure, which I think everyone agrees is the only viable path, imposes a variety of constraints on the Democrats, and NYT readers deserve to have this explained to them properly.
So, for example, it is not really accurate to say that "the new version being pushed by Mr. Obama would strip out the House bill’s abortion restrictions in favor of Senate language that many of them consider unacceptable." What's actually happening is that the House is passing the Senate bill (with the Senate abortion provision), and that changes in the abortion language wouldn't work as part of the second, "patch" legislation because of technical details of how reconciliation works. The same thing is true about the structure of the national exchanges, and other some other provisions -- if it can't be done through reconciliation (because of the way that reconciliation works) then the Democrats are stuck with the Senate version, like it or not. Provisions which can be dealt with in the patch, such as how the bill will be financed, will be changed to a House/Senate compromise.

Perhaps the Times doesn't want to confuse its readers with overly technical descriptions of parliamentary procedure, and I can understand that impulse, but in this case it's impossible to understand why some things are negotiable and some aren't without at least some reference to the rules that are shaping the Democrats' actions.

Moreover, and to return to one of my larger themes over the last six weeks, the Times should let its readers know that if this moves forward the Senate will only be voting on the reconciliation fix, which is basically all ice cream and no spinach. Which is why the remaining action is all on the House side.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/02/pass-and-patch.html#more


The NYT article mentioned above:

Wary Centrists Posing Challenge in Health Care Vote

WASHINGTON — The future of President Obama’s health care overhaul now rests largely with two blocs of swing Democrats in the House of Representatives — abortion opponents and fiscal conservatives — whose indecision signals the difficulties Speaker Nancy Pelosi faces in securing the votes necessary to pass the bill.
With Republicans unified in their opposition, Democrats are drafting plans to try on their own to pass a bill based on one Mr. Obama unveiled before his bipartisan health forum last week. His measure hews closely to the one passed by the Senate in December, but differs markedly from the one passed by the House.

That leaves Ms. Pelosi in the tough spot of trying to keep wavering members of her caucus on board, while persuading some who voted no to switch their votes to yes — all at a time when Democrats are worried about their prospects for re-election.

-snip-
“The concern among Democrats right now is that there are more yes votes reconsidering than no votes,” said David Wasserman, who tracks House races for the nonpartisan Cook Political Report. “My sense is that for Democrats to pass this bill, they would have to convince several members who are already in serious jeopardy, even after voting no on the first health care bill, to put passage of the bill ahead of their own chances of being competitive in the fall.”

-snip-
Publicly, House Democratic leaders are trying to sound upbeat. The House Democratic whip, Representative James E. Clyburn, Democrat of South Carolina, said last week that he felt “pretty good” about the chances of passing Mr. Obama’s bill. But the leadership has not yet started counting votes, and a senior House leadership aide, speaking on condition of anonymity, conceded that rounding them up would not be easy.
“It’s going to be a heavy lift,” this aide said, “but so have many other votes. In the last health care vote we really didn’t have the majority until the afternoon, and this will probably be that way, too. That’s how these votes come together in the end.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/us/politics/28health.html?hp

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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 07:59 AM
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1. Yep, they're the reason why we cant do recon. now and....
.... a big reason for the summit. They needed some political cushion to vote for the Senate bill.
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DisgustedInMN Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 08:48 AM
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2. Nice to see ..
.. someone has completed the Rovian Online School of Deceptive Spinnage.

Yeah.. right buddy...


It's the House that fucking blew it! :sarcasm:


:rofl:

What gawddamn color is the sky in your world?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 10:21 AM
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3. The House didn't blow it. The House is who is going to have to finish it. The issue
Edited on Sun Feb-28-10 10:24 AM by Pirate Smile
is where is the vote trouble at the moment and it is getting the House to pass the Senate Bill. I think Nancy will get it done because she always does. The House has to pass the entire hcr again plus the fixes. The Senate only has to pass the fixes.

edit to add this:

Health Care: Can Nancy Pelosi Get It Done?

Posted by KAREN TUMULTY Sunday, February 28, 2010 at 7:26 am

Today's NYT has what looks like a pretty pessimistic assessment. While my predictions are worth just what you are paying for them here, my sense has been the opposite. I think a major health care bill is more likely than not to pass.

After what she managed to get her caucus to do last year, I would never, ever bet against the Speaker on a vote. And she is looking pretty determined on this one.

Keep in mind that it is not in the interest of the lawmakers who hold the key votes to show any flexibility at this point. The real movement comes at the very last minute. We've seen this again and again and again. Obama himself will have to do some arm-twisting
-- which means we may see some scenes like this one.

But until a vote has been scheduled, and we are within 48 hours of seeing it happen, take anything you hear from anyone on Capitol Hill with a full box of salt.



Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/02/28/health-care-can-nancy-pelosi-get-it-done/#comments#ixzz0gqQ8VZMR
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DisgustedInMN Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 10:27 AM
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5. C&P me another steaming...
.. pile of freshly digested propaganda, would you please? :sarcasm:

Who the fuck do you think you're kidding?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-28-10 10:24 AM
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4. We've Always Been At War With Eurasia
What an Orwellian world that we are living in!
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