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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:44 PM
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Daughter says pilot in Texas IRS crash was a hero... this is nuts
That is the same reasoning that Phelps of that nut job Westboro Church(which is no more a church than your local Walmart is) .. uses when picketing the funerals of veterans, because he hates people who are gay.





http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100222/ap_on_re_us/us_plane_crash_pilot

AUSTIN, Texas – The daughter of a man who crashed his small plane into a building housing offices of the Internal Revenue Service called her father a hero for his anti-government views but said his actions, which killed an IRS employee, were "inappropriate."

Joe Stack's adult daughter, Samantha Bell, spoke to ABC's "Good Morning America" from her home in Norway. Asked during a phone interview broadcast Monday if she considered her father a hero, she said: "Yes. Because now maybe people will listen."

Authorities say Stack, 53, targeted the IRS office building in Austin on Thursday, killing employee Vernon Hunter and himself, after posting a ranting manifesto against the agency and the government. He apparently set fire to his home before flying his plane into the office buildin
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:50 PM
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1. I can give her a pass since she's probably still grieving and in shock.
She lost her father suddenly and horrifically. She may feel differently when she's had time to deal with it more.

I am more disgusted by the media making a fuss about it, though. Reporting the sad words of a grieving child (even an adult one) trying to deal with her father's memories and actions just to stir up ratings is low, but I guess it's standard operating procedure.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:54 PM
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2. Agreed!
n/t
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av8rdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 01:55 PM
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3. Sorry Samantha...
I know you must be grieving the loss of your father, which, regardless of the circumstances, is terrible.

However, your choice of words is disturbing. His actions were "inappropriate?" You've got to be kidding me!

Let me help you out here:

A loud fart in church is inappropriate. Killing or attempting to kill others because you're pissed about your taxes is fucking heinous.

Any questions?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:02 PM
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4. A lot of people do
Edited on Mon Feb-22-10 02:03 PM by AllentownJake
For all the people who want to sit around and debate, I'm going to make a very bold reality statement.

A government building was attacked by a suicide bomber and a portion of this country cheered.

That is a problem.

Now before the positive thinking bullshit crowd jumps all over me, saying that above statement says hey some people seem to be ok with suicide bombing government buildings, it isn't saying that I'm happy the condition exist.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:24 PM
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5. ...and then there are some who continue to fuel the "condition"
Edited on Mon Feb-22-10 02:24 PM by Bobbie Jo
that lends legitimacy such acts, because it fits with their agenda.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:30 PM
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6. Here comes the positive thinking people
Saying something has happened, acknowledging the reaction you saw, and saying that it is a problem does not make the problem worse, failure to do so does.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:39 PM
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7. "Positive thinking people?"
Define?


"and then there are some who continue to fuel the "condition" that lends legitimacy such acts, because it fits with their agenda."

I acknowledge the reaction I saw just as I described it.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:46 PM
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8. There are idiots who would support anything in this nation.
Timothy McVeigh, serial killers (who get fan clubs and marriage proposals). Says nothing about the actions of the serial killers, only about the sorry state of some people's perceptions.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:01 PM
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11. I think comparing McVeigh and seriel killers to Stack is a stretch
Tim McVeigh was a mass murderer who killed hundreds of people including children. The Oklahoma City bombing is one of the most tragic incidents in modern American history. I say second only to 9/11. The guy was a perverse racist. The conditions surrounding the Stack crash are totally different. Societal pressures CAN push people over the edge. It doesn't excuse what he did, but I don't think you can compare him to McVeigh at all. I also don't thin the public outcry will be nearly the same as it was with McVeigh.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:05 PM
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12. Bullshit. Same dude. No difference except that he failed.
Stack removed the center seats from his plane so he could put a loaded fuel drum in there, to increase the explosion size. Right next to the building he hit is a daycare he could easily have blown up. I know, I pass the thing every day. He was out for blood, just like McVeigh, he plotted this out, just like McVeigh, and his plan was to start a revolution, just like McVeigh. The only thing McVeigh did differently was build a better bomb. Stack was hoping to kill just as many people.
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:36 PM
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14. This guy wanted to kill hundreds of people
if he could. He just failed to do it.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 04:35 PM
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15. How is it a stretch?
The only difference is that there were not tens or hundreds of people in Stacks' target at the time.

To hell with the societal pressures crap. McVeigh could easily say the same thing.
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NICO9000 Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:52 PM
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9. She's another teabag-esque asshole - look at this
"Bell said she thought her father burned his house down because property taxes represented the government for him, and she shares his disillusionment. She moved to Norway after losing her job in the middle of a pregnancy, claiming Medicaid would not take care of her."

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/joseph-stacks-daughter-samantha-bell-considers-her-dad-a-hero/19368029?icid=main|main|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2


Git yr guvmint hands off my medycare or I'm gonna move to some socialist country!


And if this guy had been an Arab (-American or otherwise) or - God forbid - black, he'd have been immediately labeled a terrorist.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 02:59 PM
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10. Let's see. My hero dad, a nutcase, killed himself and another person and injured others
Wow. Talk about fucking nuttier than squirrel shit...
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 03:34 PM
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13. It IS nuts -- but I wouldn't criticize a daughter for saying it.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 04:40 PM
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16. As do a number of DUers.
Who shall remain unnamed.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 05:01 PM
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17. Yeah, what a "hero"..
Selfish prick is what he was.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 05:06 PM
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18. Her father was a murderer...
if she thinks he was a hero, she is as deluded as he was.
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 05:20 PM
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19. I wonder how many years it's been...
...since she even saw her father.

I wonder if she'd still think he was a hero, if it was *her* house he had burned down, rather than that of his second family.

I wonder if she thinks that people ought to be flying planes into Norway's tax collection offices, especially since Norway takes a much larger chunk of people's paychecks to pay for their socialist paradise.

Oh and about that socialist paradise. I wonder if she even thinks about the absurd disconnect between calling her dad a hero for fighting the very things that would have made this country more livable, including socialist medicine.

She may be grieving, I don't know. But I do know she is a stupid person whose values are questionable at best.
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Wardoc Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 05:28 PM
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20. It is her dad. She shouldn't be asked or hounded about the situation, let her be. (nt)
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-22-10 11:16 PM
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21. I'll give her a pass as others have... comments so soon
when she is still in shock can be understandably crazy. Her Dad is dead, flew a plane into a building, killed another guy, it is all over the news.. I can give her some room to grieve and try to process it. Now if she goes all Liz Cheney in a few months, I'll rethink my position. But for now... she's not in a good state of mind, I'm sure. It's probably part defense mechanism. she can't admit what he was.. while she is grieving... she hasn't even processed it yet.
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