Breaking: Top Taliban leader Mullah Berader captured recently also DIED in 2007

[zulchzulu]

He must have been pretty easy to capture recently.

KABUL, August 30, 2007 (RFE/RL) -- A senior Taliban commander has been killed in a recent air strike by U.S.-led coalition forces in southern Afghanistan, RFE/RL's Radio Free Afghanistan reported today.

The air strike was in Sarwan Qala -- between the districts of Sangin and Musa Qala in Helmand Province.

The commander, known as Mullah Berader, was a top military commander for the Taliban government until its removal from power in late 2001. Berader also was a member of the Taliban leadership council, which is headed by the Taliban's fugitive spiritual leader Mullah Mohammad Omar.

Berader is considered to be the second major commander of the Taliban after Mullah Dadullah, who was killed during NATO operations in May.

http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1078423.html

Hmm....

[Enrique]

1. he sounds like a poor man's Chemical Ali n/t

[HereSince1628]

2. No one was supposed to notice. That idear was extensively focused grouped

before it was implemented.

[tabatha]

3. JUNE 22, 2009

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562262680835357.html

The Taliban's efforts appear to be led by two senior figures. The first, Mullah Berader, is a longtime senior Taliban leader who sits on the Quetta shura, which is believed to have about 20 members. "We've been trying to kill him for a long time. He has 20 lives," said a former senior U.S. intelligence official.

Another article:

April 29, 2009 at 10:58 AM EST

KABUL — A top Taliban commander warned today that militants would unleash a wave of ambushes, roadside bombs and suicide attacks in a new spring offensive in Afghanistan.

In a possible harbinger of coming violence, coalition and Afghan troops killed 42 militants in three operations, officials said.

Mullah Berader, a deputy to Taliban leader Mullah Omar, said the Taliban plans to launch a new offensive Thursday against international and Afghan troops, government officials and “whoever is supporting invaders in our country.”

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown says he'll temporarily send 700 extra troops to Afghanistan to boost security for August elections. Mr. Brown told legislators that Britain will increase its forces from 8,300 to 9,000, but will reduce numbers to current levels by November.

http://v1.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090429.wafghan0429/BNStory/International/home


So maybe it was BS about him being killed. More Bush BS.

[jaxx]

4. Doesn't it say Mullah Dadullah was killed earlier?

Berader is considered to be the second major commander of the Taliban after Mullah Dadullah, who was killed during NATO operations in May.<<

[zulchzulu]

7. I'm saying we need to perhaps Google who the military said was captured...

... since all this shit is political anyway.

Let's see the guy... alive.

[Cha]

5. Nothing was real back when bushcheney was in

charge..they said anything they thought would pump them up.

[jaxx]

6. That is so true.

All we know is that bush wasn't concerned about where bin Laden was after a few months.

[harkadog]

14. And you think the statements are accurate now??

[Cha]

22. Of course I do..I'm not interested in

stupid cheap shots against this admin.

[harkadog]

28. Or any shots accurate or not.

[Cha]

34. I don't do shots.

[ProSense]

8. Bush killed a lot of people multiple times

He was still alive in 2008, according to NATO:

In addition to leading a significant number of Taliban fighters, information received by ISAF has implicated Sakhi Dad in the distribution of mines, gunpowder and IED components throughout the province and the kidnappings of Afghan civilians. Sakhi Dad is also understood to be connected to Taliban leadership, especially Mullah Berader Akhund, the Taliban’s second in command.

link

He also gave an interview last month: Taleban deputy leader warns of more attacks in Afghanistan in 2010

[vaberella]

15. How many times can one person die?! Bush you bastard. n/t

[Nordmadr]

9. This just in: Taliban has NEW number two. N/T

[mzmolly]

10. Berader is different from Baradar and Mullah is a title.Think Captian Johnson and Captain Johannsen.

Similar names, but not the same. :shrug:

[dave29]

11. +100

.

[HughMoran]

12. thread killer

:rofl:

[mzmolly]

17. I guess so.

I feel so powerful today. ;) LOL

I love ZZ, but I took his advice to google and well... you know the rest.

[msanthrope]

13. godamn it!!! Why are you letting FACTS ruin a perfectly good rant? n/t

[vaberella]

16. Ooooh...You murderized the thread!! LULZ!! But post no. # 8 has relevance. n/t

[mzmolly]

18. It's confusing. Post 8 refers to one Mullah Berader Akhund.

The person we just captured is Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar. So in essence, it seems to me, that the proper names would be Mullah Akhund and Mullah Baradar.

:shrug:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/02/who_is_mullah_abdul_ghani_bara.html

[zulchzulu]

19. If you Google drill on the name, there are a few different ways Baradar is titled...

Without doing the homework at this moment, Baradar is spelled differently on various news documents as well as the way his name is portrayed, i.e., how his full name is translated into English. His full title is inverted depending on the British vs. American publication.

My only point in this thread is that we need to Google any war news from Afghanistan before "feeling the love" on how the Taliban are getting their ass kicked. After all, Karzai (the narco-kleptomaniac we are sending our troops to die for) has ties to the Taliban and even considered himself a Taliban (which essentially means a Student of Islam) as far back as the 1980's, when he was allied with the Mujahadeen (who Osama Bin Laden was trained by the CIA) fighting the Soviets...

It's more complicated than most people want to understand...

Obama inherited this fucking splinterized delusion of a war and wants it to end next year. I think what he is doing is "correct" as in one who is the designated driver of a van full of drunks waving pistols at each other in a smelly Minivan.

[mzmolly]

20. I agree.

We need to check things out. And, it's easy to understand confusion on this issue that's for sure. :hi:

[DCBob]

24. I think same guy... just different spellings.. seems Afghan govt made mistake IDing the dead guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Ghani_Baradar

[mzmolly]

30. If that is the case, it's possible that some "lied" when they said they killed him. We now have

him in custody. Kind of tough to dispute that. ;)

[berni_mccoy]

26. Ooops! And too late for the OP to delete their post. How embarrassing.

:rofl:

[mzmolly]

31. It seems ZZ may have been on to something.

"But, if the reports are true, today's disclosure of the stunning capture of the No. 2 of the Afghan Taliban's Pakistan-based leadership, Mullah Abdul Ghani Berader (or Baradar), is part of the covert but equally important plank of the war now orchestrated by the US and Nato commander in Afghanistan, General Stanley McChrystal."

:shrug:

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/international_politics/capturing+taliban+leaders+covert+afghan+war/3544837

I'm still confused... ;)

[tekisui]

29. Similar names, not the same--But spun exactly the same:

TOP TALIBAN COMMANDER KILLED IN SOUTHERN AFGHANISTAN

A senior Taliban commander has been killed in a recent air strike by U.S.-led coalition forces in southern Afghanistan, RFE/RL’s Radio Free Afghanistan reported today.

The air strike was in Sarwan Qala -- between the districts of Sangin and Musa Qala in Helmand Province.

The commander, known as Mullah Berader, was a top military commander for the Taliban government until its removal from power in late 2001. Berader also was a member of the Taliban leadership council, which is headed by the Taliban’s fugitive spiritual leader Mullah Mohammad Omar.

Berader is considered to be the second major commander of the Taliban after Mullah Dadullah, who was killed during NATO operations in May.

http://www.eurasianet.org/insight/083007afg.shtml

An earlier "top field commander" killed:



Taliban scramble after top commander killed

Monday, May 14, 2007

Signs of disorder emerged in Taliban ranks as insurgents grappled with the news that Mullah Dadullah, their most powerful field commander, had been killed.

The Taliban initially denied reports that the notorious mullah was dead, then confirmed the killing and vowed revenge. But the question of who should now lead the insurgents into battle was a matter of disagreement between Taliban figures in southern Afghanistan.

Serving in the Taliban leadership council under its reclusive leader, Mullah Omar, has become an increasingly dangerous job. Three of the council's top figures have been killed or captured in the past six months. Dadullah was by far the most important, suspected of masterminding suicide bombings, beheadings, assassinations and other aspects of the Taliban's most bloodthirsty operations.

"Mullah Dadullah ... will most certainly be replaced in time, but the insurgency has received a serious blow," said a NATO statement announcing his death.

One of the few remaining senior insurgents who could lead a military campaign would be Mullah Berader, a former Taliban governor of Herat province. Afghans who have met the tall, thin, long-bearded Berader say he is committed to driving away foreign troops but he is less fanatical than Dadullah was.

Whereas the slain commander was assessed by Western intelligence as a sadist, Berader is described as more educated and good-humored, and perhaps less enthusiastic about the suicide-bombing strategy championed by Dadullah.

A spate of suicide attacks caused a sharp increase in civilians deaths last year and the issue of whether ordinary Afghans are legitimate targets has caused divisions within the Taliban. Such an argument was also visible as some Taliban pushed for a successor more aligned with Mullah Dadullah's views -- perhaps one of his brothers, or a close associate.

http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/22639

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The OP may be confusing the names, but not the spin. New number 2's replace old number 2's.

[mzmolly]

33. The spin wasn't very wide spread in 2007.

I can find little mention of the supposed death of the Mullah. However, we have him in custody now. That can't be disputed.

[TheBigotBasher]

21. When I hear stuff like this

all I think they find is the toilet, given how many times the number two has been captured or killed.

[DCBob]

23. I cant find that US confirmed this at the time.. It was only reported by Afghan government.

There was alot misinformation flowing around in those days.

[mzmolly]

32. My thoughts also.

In fact the only source for that info appears to be the article above?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

25. So I'm thinking it was probably a pretty short chase on foot...

[Ganja Ninja]

27. Note the date 2007.

More Bush/Cheney propaganda.