Breaking (MSNBC via CNBC): Pelosi has the votes to pass Senate health bill

[jenmito]

...if certain changes are passed through the reconciliation process. John Harwood apparently just interviewed Pelosi. :thumbsup:

[lumberjack_jeff]

1. Nice to hear some modestly good news for a change. n/t

[flpoljunkie]

2. Keep the pressure on the Senate, Pelosi! Time for them to stand and deliver for the American people.

Just heard it on MSNBC as well.

[jenmito]

6. Yes-it's time the Senate compromises on just enough to pass this! n/t

[derby378]

3. Wha-wha-WHAT? What did I miss?

I thought the progressives in the House were saying "No public option, no deal." What's the skinny?

[jenmito]

4. Looks like they realized this bill would be better than no bill...

and a waste of a year.

[derby378]

11. I'll wait and see what develops over the next few hours...

...but I've got a bad feeling about this.

[jenmito]

15. Why do you have a bad feeling about this?

[Clio the Leo]

19. I have a GOOD feeling....

.... because this is how things have been progressive for several days, this is just her (apparent) first pronouncement as such. At some point yesterday, the ball got hit back into the Senate's court. Now it's on Harry to get enough votes to pass some fixes via reconciliation so the House can pass the Senate bill.

[jenmito]

23. So do I...

because I'm pickin' up what you're puttin' down. :hi:

[Clio the Leo]

41. heh nt

[cilla4progress]

24. I called 'em both this morning

Nancy and Harry. You do, too!

[dave29]

35. Same here -- very good feeling

:hi:

[ericgtr]

22. The public option is dead on all fronts

short of some sort of miracle.

[Freddie Stubbs]

5. They fold every time

[dflprincess]

9. They caved

again.

Apparently because the Senate "promised" to fix it later. You would think that one group of spineless liars would know better than to believe another group of the same.

I hope they enjoyed the short time they had the majority because once the public figures out that "reform" means no relief from increasing premiums and out of pockets and no guarantee of care - they won't have it for long.

Not that the sell outs will care, they'll all collect nice government pensions plus pick up some very lucrative jobs as lobbyists once they leave "public" service.

[jenmito]

16. Do you seriously think they'll lose their majority if they DO pass this bill and not if they DON'T

pass it? I guess you disagree with Rachel Maddow and others that NOT passing the healthcare bill would be political suicide...

[dflprincess]

44. Once people figure out what a scam this is

and that they still can't afford get health care - while they're being forced to continue to hand their money over to the crooks who broke the system in the first place, yes. Especially as the Republicans will hammer on the fact that they never supported it (and it won't matter that they never had any kind of an idea to fix the system).

[amandabeech]

25. Don't forget those IRS collected penalties for those who don't sign up for insurance.

Those don't kick in until later--like just before the 2012 election.

They're liable to be a big hit.

I still want to know why procedures cost so much less in Canada than they do here. Until we know the answer to that, how are we going to figure out how to get costs down, and that's what everybody wants.

I no longer care whether this thing gets passed.

I'm more interested in whether unemployment insurance gets extended and what can be done to get jobs from flowing out of this country.

[jenmito]

27. There's no punishment/penalty for not paying the IRS. n/t

[amandabeech]

33. Do you have a cite for that?

Your statement isn't what I have read.

[jenmito]

34. I have to search for it. There were threads here showing the actual bill's

wording that said there'd be no penalty if fine wasn't paid.

[TheKentuckian]

40. I think that is misleading. You're under the same gun you would be for owing anything else

They'll take it out of your refund and/or garnish wages at least.

[jenmito]

47. The bill said there will be no penalty for failure to pay...

but my search function won't work right now for archived posts before Dec.

[harkadog]

49. False

http://factcheck.org/2010/01/enforcing-the-individual-mandate/

[gkhouston]

14. The SOTU is tonight. I wouldn't put it past Pelosi to say she had the votes even

if she didn't, just for PR value. The deal could always collapse later.

[mzmolly]

7. K n R. This is GREAT news!

:hi:

[Joanne98]

8. Bayh, Nelson and Lincoln already said NO!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x513771

:mad:

[flpoljunkie]

12. But can they stop it? Reid only needs 50 votes plus Joe Biden to get it done.

[WhiteTara]

13. but they won't be needed in reconciliation. n/t

[jenmito]

17. We don't need them.

[Qutzupalotl]

26. ...and if they're pissed, I'm pleased.

They helped poison the last version.

[jenmito]

29. Same here. n/t

[harun]

38. Don't need them they already voted on the Senate Bill. Will go around

them with reconciliation. They can go pound dirt.

[Oceansaway]

10. TOUCHE !!..n/t

[bluestateguy]

18. There must be a catch somewhere

I try to be as much of an optimist as anyone, but just sounds a little too good to be true.

[jenmito]

21. "...if certain changes are passed through the reconciliation process."

That puts pressure on the Senate. That must be the "catch"...that it's conditional on that.

[Phx_Dem]

20. So quit talking and pass the fucking thing already!

[Uben]

28. All they have to change is......

...they need to take out the couple of things still in it that benefits taxpayers and add a couple of more things to give insurance companies more money and it's done! See? That was easy. Now, let's get this thing passed! I don't know what all the fuss has been about. If we had just asked the insurance companies what they wanted first, we could have passed this thing last summer.
I'm so happy our congress-critters finally got the balls to give the insurance companies everything they wanted. I was starting to think a couple of them were working for us!

[jenmito]

30. Wow-you have no idea what you're talking about!

:rofl:

[Phx_Dem]

31. The House cannot change a word in the Senate bill.

[glinda]

32. Level some more charges at people and then they can pass it quietly!

[AlinPA]

36. Is this old news? Like two weeks ago? Sounds like a joke to me.

[jenmito]

37. Nope. From an interview today. n/t

[flpoljunkie]

48. Sadly, her office reports that was misinterpreted.

* Also: MSNBC caused a big stir by reporting that Nancy Pelosi said in an interview she has the votes to pass the Senate bill. But her office says she actually said she could have the votes, and that it’s a “very doable” solution with the right reconciliation fix, not that she has the votes to do this.

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/happy-hour-roundup-152/

[Scurrilous]

39. K & R

:thumbsup:

[ibegurpard]

42. i'll wait for the changes

i want regulations with TEETH for the insurance companies.

[kestrel91316]

43. Call me skeptical. I still think HCR is dead. This is kabuki theater.

[WI_DEM]

45. I hope they do it so we can put hcr behind and concentrate on the economy

and hopefully get improvements with reconciliation.

[Jennicut]

46. Now we have to find 50 in the Senate.