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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:21 AM
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It's possible that our intra-party factionalism has grown too large to overcome
Please read the following excerpt which I posted as a reply in the Michael Moore giant thread in GD

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/07/0082562
Barack Hoover Obama:
The best and the brightest blow it again
By Kevin Baker

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More frustrating has been the torpor among Obama’s fellow Democrats. One might have assumed that the adrenaline rush of regaining power after decades of conservative hegemony, not to mention relief at surviving the depredations of the Bush years, or losing the vestigial tail of the white Southern branch of the party, would have liberated congressional Democrats to loose a burst of pent-up, imaginative liberal initiatives.

Instead, we have seen a parade of aged satraps from vast, windy places stepping forward to tell us what is off the table. Every week, there is another Max Baucus of Montana, another Kent Conrad of North Dakota, another Ben Nelson of Nebraska, huffing and puffing and harrumphing that we had better forget about single-payer health care, a carbon tax, nationalizing the banks, funding for mass transit, closing tax loopholes for the rich. These are men with tiny constituencies who sat for decades in the Senate without doing or saying anything of note, who acquiesced shamelessly to the worst abuses of the Bush Administration and who come forward now to chide the president for not concentrating enough on reducing the budget deficit, or for “trying to do too much,” as if he were as old and as indolent as they are.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid—yet another small gray man from a great big space where the tumbleweeds blow—seems unwilling to make even a symbolic effort at party discipline. Within days of President Obama’s announcing his legislative agenda, the perpetually callow Indiana Senator Evan Bayh came forward to announce the formation of a breakaway caucus of fifteen “moderate” Democrats from the Midwest who sought to help the country make “the changes we need” but “make sure that they’re done in a practical way that will actually work”—a statement that was almost Zen-like in its perfect vacuousness. Even most of the Senate’s more enlightened notables, such as Russ Feingold of Wisconsin or Claire McCaskill of Missouri or Sherrod Brown of Ohio, have had little to contribute beyond some hand-wringing whenever the idea of a carbon tax or any other restrictions on burning coal are proposed.

President Obama, with a laudable respect for the separation of powers, has left the details and even the main tenets of his agenda to be worked out by these same congressional Democrats. This approach looks like an exercise in democracy drawn from his days as a community organizer, the sort of strategy that helps a neighborhood to decide whether it wants, say, a health clinic or a youth center. What he doesn’t care to acknowledge is that, in the case of the U.S. Congress, he’s dealing with a neighborhood where maybe half want a health clinic and the rest are holding out for grenade launchers and crystal meth.

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Credit for bringing attention to this article goes to n2doc here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Anyway, we can't get anything done in our Party. Days after President Obama was elected Harry Reid announced he didn't work for him, who knows what message that was designed to send and who it was aimed at, but that was the opening volley to Democratic chaos. In the Excerpt above, it's pointed out how the conservadems keep kneecapping the rest of us and driving the party farther and farther right until they have literally given us no real reason for our own existance.

The Democratic Party has somehow morphed into Republican Sane - same policies as the Republican Insane, just without the overt drooling xenephobia and finger pointing religiosity.

Let me say that for me, that's not enough. I have come to the belief as I said in my OP that the divides may just be too big to overcome. I simply cannot support a Party that is giving me the legislation and the policies that are coming down, or should I say trickling down. There's almost nothing in them that I recognize as being Democratic and for the People as opposed to being Republican and Pro-Corporate. I simply cannot believe that the Senate Healthcare bill is purportedly a Democratic bill.

I will be just another person changing their voter registration to Independent if it doesn't affect my ability to vote in Primaries (I'll have to check - I don't know what Virginia Law is). I'm filing separation papers and serving them on the Democrats. I don't know at this point if the final result will be a complete divorce or just a trial separation. I'm just an average American in search of a Party or persons who will represent ME.


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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:34 AM
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1. The right wingnuts and repukes sure are enjoying the split
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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:35 AM
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2. Somethings gotta give!
Edited on Wed Jan-27-10 09:35 AM by Lost4words
I guess we have to start having tea parties cause thats all they ever said about BO, too much govt spending.

Me, a long term out of work Liberal OB Supporter, I get squat, no job, no hope of a job, and 20 calls per day from creditors I cannot pay.

this is not change its biz as usual.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:42 AM
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3. Righteous rant. K&R n/t
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:53 AM
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4. VA voter registration doesn't include party registration. You can vote in either primary.
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:31 PM
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5. Right there with you Phoebe.
:pals:

I don't know if anyone is actually asking Independents if they are conservative. Is it simply assumed?

If I change my voter registration to Independent it won't be because I've moved right. It will be because the DLC & New Democrats keep following the Repubs to the right, dragging the Democratic party with them. If it continues I'll have no choice but to declare my Independence.
For now, I'm supporting & voting for progressive Democratic candidates & legislation as a member of the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party.


K&R

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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 03:49 PM
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6. Nope, just remove the cancer and the patient will recover nicely
This is a big ass tent but it's too snug for the corporate toadies for me. This is the people's party, big money has no shortage of chairs at the table.

There is nothing ailing this party that deciding what side we are really on won't cure. Money and power or those without a voice?
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 03:58 PM
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7. We on the left don't have the patience to microwave a pop-tart.
The more we squabble, the weaker the Democratic leaders become. So we squabble even more, and they get weaker. And weaker.

The right understands message and party discipline. They understand incremental progress on their agenda. They recognize that they need each other, even if they won't get everything they want (example, Row V Wade).

But we on the left .... we want what we want, and we want it now.

When that does not happen fast enough, we sulk, and the elected Dems get even weaker.

And instead of getting some of what we want ... we get NOTHING ... and that is the lesson of 1993.

And here on DU, I do get a sense that getting nothing and sulking is better than getting something.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:01 PM
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8. nailed it.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:16 PM
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9. Thanks ... this situation drives me NUTS!!!
I've spent much of my "on-line" time between 2003-2009, spanking far right wing lies on USAToday ... its great fun. Their comment model is great for debate. And I can CRUSH almost any right wing claim.

But after MASS ... the whining from the left became so shrill ... it occurred to me that I needed to skip pounding the far right ... which I was doing mainly so that moderates would see them get pounded.

But now I think some of us on the left need to smack some of our own around. When they retreat, they make the party weaker. If they stand tall, support our side .. and ALSO push for MORE ... then the Dem leaders will believe that we have their back ... that if they make some progress, but they don't "get it all", we understand the reality and we won't abandon them.

Some on the left claim that they want the Dems to grow a spine (which they do need to do, I agree with that view) ... but what the DU posts (some not all) actually do is just WHINE.

And that "inhibits spinal growth" in Dem leaders.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:18 PM
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10. most of it comes from people who have always intensely disliked him, and never
wanted him to be president in the first place.

yes he's disappointed me on some things but they way he get slagged here, it's like reading free republic most days...
:hi:
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:32 PM
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11. You can't cheer the train going off the tracks no matter how many were booing
before it came into full view.

What Republicans also never do is back off of their principles. Those bastards will go into the wilderness for generations if that's what it takes but they stick to their story and always come back.

We get punked into being a new flavor every time they have a success and its not a positive or good long term.
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