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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 03:14 PM Original message |
Clinton tried to do Health Care from the top down with a democratic majority.. and lost |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. Anyone who thinks we could realistically do any better lacks understanding of the Democratic party. |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I am amazed myself how much we have gotten through.. |
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impik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. Or the Washington system as a whole |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
39. I wouldn't say it's amazing, I'd say it's about as expected |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
2. Very true - very true... |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I cannot believe we are getting this close.. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
3. I think the circumstances were different back then. It was the Democrats |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Actually it was the conservative minority that got us.. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. President Obama and his Team learn from |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
26. Really? |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Really. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. They missed the biggest lesson of them all! |
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impik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. Wrong |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
7. But, that wouldn't fit into their |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Because we have gotten so inundated the last few years by the loud crowd |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Good point..the brainwashed who don't |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Oh my God Cha.. locally, I have a co worker.. who believes every thinng |
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impik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
22. True, and it's for two reasons: |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. So much ignorance ..so little time. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
9. There was also a lot of misogyny involved in the defeat of Hillary care. |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Hillary took a lot of heat.. as the co president.. Bill kind of set her up unintentionally |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. It was, but if they don't take out Stupak and clean up the Senate version |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. How much progress can we make, when the same people - like Stupak - are in office now? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. We can't make much as long as people like Rahm encourage pro-life Dems. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:53 AM Response to Reply #16 |
40. Casey actively votes with the Dems on pretty much every other issue |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
17. There is such a thing as overlearning a lesson |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
18. Rec'd n/t |
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impik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
19. Dude, enough confusing the village with facts! |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Odd version of "facts" |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. You got nothin' so you accuse the poster of "sychophantry". |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Fact is that a comparison of the two processes is more than top down or bottom up |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. So? It's part of it and the OP makes a valid point |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. oh please. all this shows is that the DEMS sucked then and they |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
27. thanks for reminding us! |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
28. Clinton also dismissed not for profit advocates and tried to work with ... |
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Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
30. The Clinton's were running the process. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 05:58 AM Response to Reply #30 |
41. Yea but see there's a reason they're giving up that leverage |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 05:49 PM Original message |
Correct. nt |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
36. We are drowning in vain cynacism....... |
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Lindsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Excellent post Peacetrain! We've never been this close.. |
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HopeOverFear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-22-09 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
37. Let them continue to whine while Obama's secret army of organizers |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-23-09 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
42. Let me add link.. Even Pres. Clinton said last week.. do not do what we did in 1994 |
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