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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:16 PM Original message |
all this talk about primarying Obama |
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Parker CA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. K&R |
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zaj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. Truth. |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
3. I'm with you, 27inCali |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
4. Exactly. |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
5. They need to clamour less and fundraise more.... |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. I thought hamsher was |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
39. lol, it will all go to the GOP... |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
6. k/r - the 'Left' is poised to shoot itself in the foot even more spectacularly |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. that's a really good point |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
43. I like Howard Dean and Wes Clark. Both are pretty Left--and both |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:39 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I supported Wes Clark in 2004 strongly, but I acknowledge that he didn't get very far.... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #43 |
94. Dean is actually a policy moderate, but is firmly anti-insider and anti DLC. |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. because the Senate watered down the healthcare bill? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. He could have used the bully pulpit. |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. he didn't shit on Dean |
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TheBigotBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. It is hardly the "left" that is being disloyal. |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
26. you are absolutely right |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. That is what I don't get.. |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. yeah, it feels more like that everyday |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
28. WE NEED TO FOCUS ON MAINE |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:45 AM Response to Reply #6 |
47. Excellent point about Landrieu: She is as Far Left as we will ever see out of Louisiana.... |
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grytpype (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
73. I consider myself progressive and I despise Kucinich. |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
7. I am an Obama critic AND an Obama supporter |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. I'm all for keeping the pressure up |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I can't disagree with most of what you say |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. I think he was scared of all the money they would pour in |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #25 |
66. Liberalizing Congress might be the best way to liberalize |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. BINGO! |
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whattheidonot (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #16 |
67. Tea baggers |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. I think you are correct... |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #67 |
77. Chomsky says we should reach out to them |
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whattheidonot (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #12 |
64. sad truth |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
10. I think every politician should face a primary challenge |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. yeah, we should always have the right to primary |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
13. Maybe Rahm shouldn't openly talk about how he can ignore the left if he doesn't like consequences |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. why do our actions have to be dictated by Rahm? |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 04:17 AM Response to Reply #21 |
55. Well |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #21 |
65. All "the left" has DONE is compromise! When will it be the Blue Dogs' turn? |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #65 |
78. Blue Dogs have all the leverage right now |
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Frances (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
15. Thanks for stating the obvious in such a convincing way |
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styersc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
17. Like any and all politicians, if Obama wants to retain support, he |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. yeah if Obama totally ignores the Left |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
18. Thank Gawd the poor and suffering have St. Rahm looking after their interests. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
19. kick and rec'd |
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RepublicanElephant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
20. thanks for the reality check!!!! nt |
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nevergiveup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
22. "Seeing half of DU clamour for his head just one year into his presidency makes me want to puke" |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
24. what an unfortunate remark: |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. If the Left can't compromise |
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TheBigotBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. It is not the left that have refused compromise. |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. the answer to these problems is not ditching Obama |
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TheBigotBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. We both agree on that. |
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grytpype (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
75. Good point there, a lot of Obama bashers never supported him in the first place. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #75 |
96. I was a firm Obama supporter untill just a few weeks ago. |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. Obama didn't bash Dean |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. More apologism. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
42. I'd be shocked if the OP has any experience with "The Left" outside of internet forums |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:45 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. How do you know anything? Just because you typed it? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:07 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Ignorance in hard to hide, even on Teh Internets. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:22 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Whatever. |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #51 |
83. thanks for standing up for me Frenchie |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
79. I live in San Francisco |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. My statement wasn't about where you live. |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. I understand that we Libs think more with our hearts |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
31. I agree with you and let me add |
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CK_John (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
34. Why do you believe he will run for reelection, would he win if he does? n/t |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Are you suggesting that Obama should not run? |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
80. is that what you want? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
35. It's a real shame |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
36. Your absolutely right |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
81. I don't blame you for thinking that way |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
38. Don't let the naive or flame baiters get you down |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
41. You don't get it at all |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
84. how did Obama backhand the Left? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #84 |
99. Sucked up to the Insurance Industry and Wall Street. |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. I need more details to buy that argument |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
44. More "I'm of the left and I hate the left?" Great. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:46 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. It's not about hate, |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #49 |
61. Okay then -- " I dislike the left" ---- at least.. And "common sense" is a matter of interpret |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 06:48 PM Response to Reply #44 |
86. don't hate the Left |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
46. You sound like a grown-up to me. KnR. |
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Undercurrent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
52. Thanks for the level headed OP |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #52 |
87. I think a lot of Dems in Maine who voted for Collins and Snow |
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Undercurrent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. I sure hope they feel like jerkwads, and |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. those two should be our targets |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:52 AM Response to Original message |
53. Kick |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 04:10 AM Response to Original message |
54. Wow perfectly said. |
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Tigermoose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
56. K & R |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
57. I oppose any primary challenge to Obama. However... |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
58. K&R |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
59. Your last two lines state my feelings exactly. n/t |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
60. K&R |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
63. "He is pushing a pretty progressive agenda." If so, I'd like |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #63 |
88. ask the people in who are right now |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #88 |
104. Bailing out Wall Street. Handing over "Health Insurance Reform" to |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
69. K & R |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
70. "most would rather posture and shit talk than help". Ain't it the truth. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
71. Hey, well then you lose the vote of this "idealist" in 2012. Don't come crying to me about |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #71 |
92. Obama is NOT the lesser of two evils |
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grytpype (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
72. +1000 |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #72 |
98. too many important issues to be addressed |
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ProgressOnTheMove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
74. I have mentioned primarying but only for the weakest links in Congress ... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
93. So you are against Democracy, then |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. nice try |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #95 |
101. Obama has to EARN our votes. |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. so the Stimulus is some big joke? |
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