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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:17 PM Original message |
The Left's Idiocy on Health Reform, By Joe Klein |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. ...... |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. .... |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Oh, I forgot the beer. Thanks! |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. It's five o'clock somewhere... |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. 5:30 |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. . |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. . |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. ... |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
2. I expect you will get a lot of unrec's, but not from me. K&R. |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Nor from me. NT |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
57. Yes those horrible liberals |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
7. One of Klein's better efforts and am shocked, shocked to hear that there is mocking of |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Ya. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
12. Woo hoo another vacuous piece from Joe Klien |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. The piece stung, eh? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:37 PM Original message |
LOL-Joe "liberals hate America" Klien has never had an original thought in his life! |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
31. It's what you'd expect from Joe "This is a center-right country" Klein. |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. I'm sure marginalizing people will make everyone like this bill. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
47. It stung with the venom of pure idiocy |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Proving Klein's point... |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
13. Amen, brother |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. This bit belongs in my sig line: |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. It amazes me |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
48. Please explain that in plain English...You DON'T think that Washington is corrupt? |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. its not that its corrupt |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 11:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Washington is corrupt -- Not all of it, but enough to muck things up pretty bad |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #48 |
70. Washington is not corrupt. |
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Voltaire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 09:07 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Okay then. . . |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Health Care reform is a corrupt bill.---As for Washington, you are half right |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
16. "Shut up and eat your spinach! And smile while you're eating it, too!" |
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cry baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
18. knr |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
21. When Joe Klein gets so pissed that he resorts to using name calling against you.... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. true dat x 10,000,000! |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
22. I tend to agree with Joe |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
24. The point about Iraq is interesting |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
25. Yawn: Another attack on "leftists" from rightwing Time magazine. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. So? Why is pointing out what they stand for, attacking? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. A useful analysis exposes political architecture by identifying specific interest groups |
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Atticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Thank you! Thank you! If there were five posts a night as concise and well-considered as yours, |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. Yeah, like the empty noise the so-called left screams |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Frankly, I have no idea what you mean by "the Left." There is an widespread American style of |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. A lot of mischaracterizations...and probably a few lies too |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
26. I was skeptical. I wanted the public option. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
27. Same lame arguments that ignore the actual bill, it's structure, it's enforcement systems, |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
28. lol, what sick drivel. |
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SoxFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #28 |
60. Posting something you disagree with is flamebait? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
29. I could swear Nate Silver wrote this same article. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
30. Ok, Joe, it's unfair to call you a "villager" |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:17 PM Response to Reply #30 |
49. It gets attenti9on. he gets to be called "controversial" and gets invioted on talk shows |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #30 |
75. He was on deadline, yet again, staring at a blank page... |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
33. rings true to me |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
34. Wow, a major US journalist takes the fiscal moderate conservative/social liberal view. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
35. heh |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #35 |
61. There have been plenty of counters to the points in the OP that you have seen forever |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
37. DC pols indulge in casual corruption that would get them kicked off any city council in the country |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
38. ick. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
39. Joe Klein, the king of media-whore morons. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
40. Joe Klein's Idiocy on Everything, By Everyone. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
41. BTW, Joe Klein lives in Westchester Co. NY |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
43. Joe Klein is the guy they invented the phrase "media whore" for |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:00 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. And lest we forget that beauty of an "original" novel: "Primary Colors |
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rapturedbyrobots (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
50. The perversity of this is beyond comprehension. |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 05:40 AM Response to Reply #50 |
67. Nope |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
52. K & R. |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
54. Joe Klein can suck my left nut |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
56. i don't often agree with Joe Klein |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Um, real regulation and a choice of public insurance is not a bad idea |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:23 AM Response to Reply #56 |
64. Destroy would be great. Controlling them would be good. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:56 AM Response to Original message |
62. Uh-oh: now that poor ol' Brother Oral's dead, that nasty 900 foot-tall Jesus is on the loose... |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:14 AM Response to Original message |
63. How many are there on the left, anyway -- a couple hundred here |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 04:03 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Yup, that's why sometimes you have to accept you didn't have the ammo |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 09:02 AM Response to Reply #66 |
71. The Left, such as they are, few as they are, strike me as the ones |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 03:42 AM Response to Original message |
65. Kick |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 05:49 AM Response to Original message |
68. I'm against bad bills with the wrong priorities. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
69. Klein's central ignored fact is |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
73. More pompous and melodramatic labeling of the HCR scam: "landmark social legislation" |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
76. Loser |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-31-09 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
77. Ah, the old "you're not the base, I am" argument. |
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