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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 07:51 PM Original message |
Student opposition leader gunned down in Venezuela |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. Hmmm |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. Must be normal.. |
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iandhr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
3. I do not want... |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. huh? |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. you do know that he was an opposition leader who has been assassinated though |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. sure |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 02:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
32. what we know about venezuela is that the universities are mostly |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Really? All westernized rich kids in all universities in |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. i didn't say "all", i said "most". nice straw man there. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. I call them the Gucci protestors. During the coup, they were out there |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. is being "indigenous" a qualification for a student leader? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Your exploitation of this death to make weak political points is disgusting. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 07:05 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. I have made no connection of Soto's assassination to your beloved Chavez |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #55 |
85. "unconditional devotion"?! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
89. You have done nothing but use this kid's death to score points. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
88. by indigenous i meant self-originating, rather than originated by elites. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 08:01 AM Response to Reply #32 |
74. Are you sure about that? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #74 |
83. The point wasn't that his death isn't wrong but that he wasn't |
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Mesteryo (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-05-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
98. this is a public university.. |
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ChazII (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 08:02 AM Response to Reply #7 |
75. That would make too much sense |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-06-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
102. We know he had about $180K flowing through his bank account every month and about $1.3 million cash |
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TCJ70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 12:58 AM Response to Reply #4 |
29. If an anti-Bush student protester... |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 01:14 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I can only answer for myself here: I would immediately suspect them highest. |
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Mesteryo (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-05-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #30 |
99. who says he accepted the loss? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. There's no reason to write off anyone right now. |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
61. probably |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
84. What if Bush had won in two legitimate elections? |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. what if pigs could fly? |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. "Tim, that's a hypothetical..." |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. in what respect, Charlie? |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. What? |
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An Intellectual (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. The kid was a fundie fascist; why the concern? |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
66. Right, there's no way that the murder of a political activist we disagree with should bother us. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 08:03 AM Response to Reply #14 |
76. Because murder |
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bdab1973 (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
92. Really? |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. LOL |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. For what reason would supporters of the Bolivarian movement avoid this thread? |
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Billy Burnett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. Nice post. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #3 |
26. Do you know that? He could be one of the instigators of the cowardly |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Sweet! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. You didn't bother to read the link, did you? |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. do you consider his murder a cowardly act too? n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Have you read this thread? Another waste of time. n/t |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
53. Good thing someone |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #53 |
64. No. My position is that he is not associated with some kind of |
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Mesteryo (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-05-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
100. prove it... |
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freedomnorth (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-17-08 02:38 AM Response to Reply #100 |
122. Please prove Chávez was behind hit. n/t. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #3 |
79. And We Don't Want to Hear From Corporate Stooge Propagandists |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
5. This was obviously a false flag operation |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
28. In no way, |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
8. Poor child. |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Not Chavez personally |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Well, that's quite a leap. |
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Pterodactyl (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
11. The security situation in Venezuela is deteriorating. |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. heaven forbid his country has industry!! |
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Pterodactyl (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Chavez is just Bush in a red shirt. |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. how do you figure? |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Obviously, he doesn't "figure," or think for that matter. |
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Pterodactyl (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
59. nope |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. People spouting outrageous, stupid statements |
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Pterodactyl (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. No, you go to Jupiter to get more stupider. |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 01:08 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Explain to me how Chavez is "Bush in a red shirt" and I"ll take it back. n/t |
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Pterodactyl (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
58. One way? |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. Wow there are many ways and all wrong |
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Pterodactyl (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Your hostage article link cracked me up. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #68 |
80. Wow wow!!! only Uribe' trophies count, the peasants and the poor are less valuable than Betancourt |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 03:13 AM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Appreciate your links, and most clearly the link to information on opposition violence against |
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carla (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #15 |
27. It is a shame you are so ill-informed |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 09:55 AM Response to Reply #27 |
36. Yep.... |
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Pterodactyl (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
60. True. The student opposition leader changed from alive to dead. |
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StClone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
16. Add it to the list of Atrocities |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
20. R.I.P. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
21. Hopefully the Zulia government will be more conscientious about finding the murderers of this man |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Older than I thought he was. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-01-08 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
22. That's horrible. That poor family. n/t |
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Satyagrahi (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
33. Looks like a conflict over local student government elections (!) |
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Satyagrahi (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. Update: Some accused Soto of being responsible for the death of two students in November 2007. |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Interesting. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Am I reading this right? Two opposition groups were in conflict |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #48 |
90. They're two phony opposition groups fighting over who'll get the graft |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Just found an article written in Spanish which says he was a lad of only 31 years. |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. ahhh well, those two comments on a blog site clear everything up |
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Satyagrahi (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 07:14 AM Response to Reply #51 |
73. I quoted a local newspaper, a report by Venezuelan TV, a video of the clashes, |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-15-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
108. Hope you have seen the most recent findings in his story. He was up to his |
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Satyagrahi (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
56. Julio Soto allegedly involved with local "ticket mafia". |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
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StClone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. It's not like they sit around waiting for a Chavez post |
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Zorro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
49. Let's see what the investigation reveals |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. That's true. And the Chavez government has no history of political assassinations. n/t |
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Zorro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Well, there's always a first time |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Neither did the CIA |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. Our history of political assassination may go all the way back to |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #54 |
69. Actually, |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 02:53 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Thanks for posting this group of documents. Going to keep them for future reference. n/t |
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Umbriage (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-02-08 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
57. the CIA is known for staging incidents and blaming the left |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #57 |
77. Chavez is paranoid about opposition in Venezuela. |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. The Bolivarian government has no history of committing assassinations. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. The opposition has been caught over and over red handed. |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-03-08 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
81. I have been gone too long. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-04-08 05:19 AM Response to Original message |
94. More on this schoolboy, from a Spanish article, google translated: |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-17-08 01:26 AM Response to Reply #94 |
121. Kicking for this information. n/t |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-05-08 03:22 AM Response to Original message |
95. Odd article from Caracas discovered late overnight: |
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Satyagrahi (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-05-08 08:43 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. This is perhaps related to the reports about the local "ticket mafia". |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-05-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. The gist of the article it seems, |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-06-08 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
101. Venezuela: 3 suspects in student's killing IDed |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-13-08 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
103. Investigation is being hampered by the fascist thug friends of certain US moral lepers, |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-13-08 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
104. From El Universal, opposition newspaper: |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-15-08 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
105. Contract murdered victim's cell phone implicates him in drug trafficking, stolen cars, tickets |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-15-08 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
106. More heartbreaking news in the final pages of this young man's history: |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-16-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #106 |
110. So, he was apparently involved in numerous illegal activities, |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-16-08 02:31 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. So driven to get a good kick in at an elected leftist leader they nearly wet themselves, |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-16-08 08:40 AM Response to Reply #111 |
114. Thanks. |
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wvbygod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-15-08 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
107. The needs of the many outweigh the life of a non-believer |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-15-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. How do you connect this "student's" criminality to Hugo Chavez? |
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wvbygod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-16-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #109 |
115. I didn't know getting murdered made the victim a criminal |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-16-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Your reading comprehension could use some work. No one said that. |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-16-08 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
112. Señor Presidente, somebody is responsible for this and should be held accountable |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-16-08 03:13 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. What keeps you from being aware they have already arrested 8 people, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-16-08 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-16-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. They're trying to pretend there aren't any articles like this one, from the HUGE Venezuelan paper, |
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clixtox (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-17-08 07:04 AM Response to Reply #118 |
123. Thank you, Judi Lynn... |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-17-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. You know the right-wing has had the upper hand a long, long time. They crave power, |
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