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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:29 PM
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Spain downplays claims of Venezuela's links with ETA (3rd Roundup)
Spain downplays claims of Venezuela's links with ETA (3rd Roundup)
Oct 5, 2010, 19:14 GMT

Madrid/Caracas - Spanish Interior Minister Alfredo Perez Rubalcaba late Tuesday downplayed earlier allegations that the Venezuelan government had links with the militant Basque separatist group ETA.

The move comes as part of a rapid round of tit-for-tat accusations which are threatening to derail relations between Spain and Venezuela.

There were reasons to believe detained ETA suspects Xabier Atristain and Juan Carlos Besance - who have claimed to have received weapons training in Venezuela, Rubalcaba said.

However, there was no evidence whatsoever of the Venezuelan government being involved in the training, the minister stressed.

More:
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/europe/news/article_1589300.php/Spain-downplays-claims-of-Venezuela-s-links-with-ETA-3rd-Roundup
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:41 PM
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1. Judi Lynn, do you remember that Greg Grandin video I posted
a few weeks ago? I was going over it again last night and caught something missed -- that the Iran Contra bastards (out of a Pentagon communications office) accused the Sandinistas of being allied with every terrorist organization they could find or fabricate. This is an old tactic.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 04:12 AM
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4. Yes, he said Reagan's Office of Public Diplomacy drew connections from the Sandinistas
to the PLO, and ETA, and others. I'm certain the Irish Republican Army would have been in there, too, as the new propagandists have even accused the FARCs of connections to Irish rebels, as well! He said under Kagan, they even calculated a way to drive a wedge between the Sandanistas and US American leftists by setting up a flurry of disinformation claiming the Sandinistas were also anti-Semetic.

It does sound awfully damned familiar by now, doesn't it? It could make you vomit. They've thrown all this at any active leftists, and leftist Latin American leaders and groups, with no exceptions.

He said something I've never looked deeply enough to learn myself, and that was some of the people who worked for Otto Reich, and later for Robert Kagan, also a reactionary neo-con who replaced him were specialists in psychological warfare. Psyops as part of our own US-taxpayer-financed propaganda factory in the State Department. We PAY to have them lie to us.

Unbelievable. Well, it's good to know there are people like Greg Grandin who are still telling the truth, getting the truth to the people.

Here's that link for any conscientious person who would like to read it also, having missed it earlier:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/id/168873

Oh, yeah. Just remembered: Reagan kicked up the domestic surveillance again after it had been dormant for a little while, the old COINTEL treachery, spying on anti-war activists, on groups, even harrassing individual activists both at their homes, and at their places of employment.

That means there were only a couple of years between the Nixon reign of terror, lasting almost forever, and the reactivation of treating US American progressives like enemies, as people to be threatened and intimidated in THEIR OWN COUNTRY.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 05:11 AM
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6. EFerrari, here's an epic smear using the same tactics used against the Sandinistas:
Cuba expert: California Democratic gubernatorial candidate Jerry Brown hung out with Fidel Castro and CIA traitor Philip Agee while in Cuba

Caroline May - The Daily Caller Caroline May - The Daily Caller – Wed Oct 6, 2:29 pm ET

While California Republican gubernatorial candidate Meg Whitman might have been employing an illegal immigrant housemaid, it seems her opponent, Jerry Brown, has an even more sinister Latino affiliation in his past.

Cuba expert Ann Louise Bardach is reporting that Brown violated the law during a 2000 visit to Cuba when he used a CIA traitor as a travel agent and “bonded” with Cuban President Fidel Castro.

Then mayor of Oakland, Brown’s visit was purportedly an attempt to secure Santiago de Cuba as a sister city. While in the communist country, Brown dined with the family of former international crisis-inducer Elian Gonzalez and spent a great deal of time with Fidel Castro — at the time, reportedly, still preening over his victory against America in securing Gonzalez’s return to Cuba.

According to Bardach, Brown’s use of Philip Agee — a CIA turncoat responsible for revealing the identities of numerous CIA agents, an act which allegedly resulted in the death of at least one of those exposed — as his travel agent broke U.S. travel sanctions. Namely, in order to visit Cuba, Americans must use authorized travel agencies approved by the Office of Foreign Assets Control. Agee was not an approved agent.

More:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailycaller/20101006/pl_dailycaller/cubaexpertcaliforniademocraticgubernatorialcandidatejerrybrownhungoutwithwithfidelcastroandciatraitorphilipageewh

I think the author just might be a stealth DU poster, don't you?

Found a reference to her as part of a conservative "think" tank:
National Center for Public Policy Research
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The National Center for Public Policy Research, founded in 1982, is a self-described conservative think tank in the United States. Its president since its founding has been Amy Ridenour. David A. Ridenour, her husband, is vice president, and David W. Almasi is executive director. Key staff include Caroline May, who oversees environmental programs, and Ryan Balis, who oversees United Nations studies. Dana Joel Gattuso, Council Nedd II, R.J. Smith, Deroy Murdock and Bonner Cohen are among those who frequently speak or publish under the NCPPR banner as senior/distinguished fellows.
More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_for_Public_Policy_Research

(Jack Abrams was on their Board of Directors. Of course!)
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:10 PM
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2. "...no evidence whatsoever" of Venezuelan gov't involvement...
So, what do we have here? ETA suspects angling for a CIA stipend?

Easy enough to get. Just bomb a Cuban airliner, or accuse Hugo Chavez of something ba-a-ad (i.e., "Guido," not to mention Uribe).
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:18 PM
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3. Maybe. I wonder if the Heritage Foundation has updated their talking points again. n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 04:19 AM
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5. Sometimes they have to settle for aiming low, like passing around videos
of people blowing up in soccer games.

This doesn't really have a great deal to do with politics, or democracy, does it?

Any attempt to devaluate a leftist is their daily mission, since direct murder has to be more justified, and that takes a lot of planning.

Such ugly people. They just can't win an election without stealing it, or coercing it with terrorism or bribery. All they really have is lies with which to create their false image of the world to sell to idiots in order to shape their "thinking."

Even idiots will eventually learn to see right through them.
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