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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 02:25 AM
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Venezuelan opposition newspaper taunts for assassination of Chavez





El Nacional today published a headline that says:

“Murió el Mono y queda el mico”

(The monkey has died and the mico is left) but it can also be interpeted as "The monkey has died and the mico is next"

The headline is in reference to the bombing death of the FARC's Mono Jojoy in Colombia. "Mono" in Spanish = "monkey."

"El mico" is a term used by the Venezuelan reactionary opposition when referring to Chavez.

"Mico" in this context is a shortened version of "mi comandante," which is how Chavez is called by armed forces generals and other top officers and soldiers.

But in Venezuela there is a species of squirrel monkey called "mico," so "el mico" is an offensive reference to Chavez.

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The headline is being interpeted as an incitment to magnicide and another example of the opposition's porno-journalism.

(This is the same newspaper that published that grotesque. years-old photo of bodies in the Caracas morgue a few weeks ago with the clear aim of linking Caracas' high crime rate to Chavez's government.)

Story in Spanish

http://www.patriagrande.com.ve/temas/venezuela/el-nacional-publico-mancheta-salta-del-pornoperiodismo-a-incitacion-al-magnicidio/






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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 05:58 AM
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1. Vulgar, crude, barbaric behavior is natural for people who with this much hatred festering in them.
They want to reinstate their vicious regime again, and every day of progress for those they pushed to the side, ignored, doomed to lives of hopelessness enrages them even more.

The only way the right-wing can control governments is through trickery, assassinations, and deceit.

It's staggering to see the promotion of assassination accomplished even in the very racist phrasing they use to mock the elected President. What a triumph of lowness. That's as good as it gets for right-wingers. Two evil deeds in one breath.

I've noticed people who live by deceit aren't able to meet one's eyes. They may have all kinds of torment planned for Venezuelans in the future as they work to destroy their democracy, but we all know they can't face their consciences.

They get more desperate, and lower every year. El Nacional has been exceeding its former achievements in grotesquery regularly.

Recommending. Thank you.
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 02:14 PM
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4. "in the very racist phrasing"
What is racist about it? They are all Venezuelan.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 02:29 PM
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7. You apparently refuse to acknowledge what everyone else knows, has known for years,
that the European descended oligarchs publicly refer to Hugo Chavez as an ape, mock his mannerisms, his appearance, his African and Native American roots?

We're all certainly keenly aware of it here, too, right down to seeing video clips from Venezuelan tv shows with people laughing at him, mocking him, and seeing vulgar cartoons made of him in the opposition newspapers.

Don't even try to discuss this with me further. I was sick of it all long before you started posting here. You aren't going to get ANYONE to change positions on their awareness of the festering, vicious racism already revealed publicly against Venezuela's President.
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 05:19 PM
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9. ahh.
"Don't even try to discuss this with me further"

Again showing your openness to discussion and sharing information.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 05:34 PM
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11. You attempt to misinform. That's not discussion.
DU'ers have been sharing information here for many years. We will continue, of course.

"Openness?" You attempt to label DU'ers "marxist activists." That's not discussion, it's not sharing information.

As for a discussion of whether or not the Venezuelans controlling Venezuelan media are involving racism in their pointed hate campaign, do yourself the favor of reading the response posted by rabs, who has shared that information with you already.

By "don't discuss this with me" I mean don't try your underhanded, disrespectful bad imitation of discussion with me. I see right through it, did from your first post. You do the forum a disservice.

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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 05:37 PM
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12. ha ha
Don't forget that you are the on record admitting that you do not post any responses or information that is anti-chavez. That is not discussion, that is activism.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 05:56 PM
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13. Wrong. You find that statement and link it. n/t
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 06:07 PM
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14. crap.
I knew you would deny it after a few weeks. Should have bookmarked it. Going out for a while, will find it later.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 06:09 PM
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15. Be sure to do that. n/t
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 06:11 PM
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16. Found it:


Me: "you have never, ever, criticized Chavez."

You: "Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Why would I criticise someone of whom I approve?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=405&topic_id=41060&mesg_id=41193

Either you agree with every single thing that Chavez has ever done, or you keep the things that you disagree with about him to yourself, because you are an advocate. Advocacy is not discussion and sharing information.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 06:18 PM
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17. Nope. Nice try. That's your attempt to define someone as an "advocate."
You're unwilling to give it up, but it won't work.

We are cursed by common sense.

Believing someone is O.K. is not worshipping that person, nor is it being his advocate.

I have not seen anything he has done I find is wrong yet. Period. That's not "advocating," nor is it refusing to to discuss.

Take it somewhere else, friend.

Your "proof" is not "proof." You should feel embarrassment, and you would if you were sensible.
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 07:50 PM
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19. Oh ok
If you are actually standing by the opinion that he has not done a single thing wrong ever, then perhaps my accusation was unfair. Of course that raises new questions to be raised later about what kind of progressive supports some of the things that Chavez has done, but as I have said we can address them later.
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 05:11 PM
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8. Ernesto Cardenal, writing in July 2004 after a visit to Caracas




Los periódicos cada vez se venden menos por sus ataques a Chávez, y en consecuencia también han bajado sus anuncios. Y ellos mismos lo reconocen. Uno ve en las calles, al final del día, muchos bultos de El Nacional y El Universal sin abrir, que están siendo devueltos. La pregunta que se hace el pueblo es quién paga las pérdidas de esos periódicos. Y quién paga a los canales de televisión por dedicar su tiempo precioso, no a noticias ni anuncios, sino a ataques políticos.
A Chávez siempre lo están caricaturizando esos medios, con un racismo nuevo que ha surgido en Venezuela. Se burlan de él por sus facciones y el color de su piel. Como hay partidarios suyos que le llaman Mi Comandante, la derecha lo ha apodado Mico Mandante: porque es mestizo o mulato o tal vez las dos cosas, y por el color de su piel un tanto cobriza. La campaña de la derecha es abiertamente antipueblo, y me contaron de un animador de televisión que a los pobres llama feos, desdentados y negros violentos. Los medios además están llamando a la insurrección. El irrespeto no tiene límites, y el presidente de un partido le gritó a Chávez en la televisión «¡El coño de tu madre!» ¿En qué país le han dicho así a un jefe de Estado? «Creo que no he conocido otro país en que haya tal libertinaje en las comunicaciones», escribe Marta Harnecker. Con todo, ningún periódico ni televisión ni radio han sido cerrados. Y tampoco hay presos políticos.

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Main points (quick translation, caps mine)

--(El Nacional and El Uinversal) each day are selling fewer copies and ad revenues have plunged because of their attacks on Chavez.
-- One sees at the end of the day unopened stacks of El Nacional and El Uiversal that are being returned. The question the people ask is who is paying for the losses.
-- Who is paying the TV channels (opposition) that dedicate their precious air time, not for news and announcements but for political attacks.
--Those media lampoon Chavez with a new racism that has surged in Venezuela.
--They make fun of Chavez because of his appearance and the color of his skin.
--Because there are supporters (of Chavez) who call him MI COMANDANTE, the right has labeled him MICO MANDANTE, because he is mestizo or mulatto, or maybe both, because of his somewhat copperish skin color. (MICO MANDANTE = "MONKEY IN CHARGE")
--The campaign of the right is openly anti-pueblo; a TV announcer called the poor ugly, toothless and violent blacks.
--Those media also are calling for insurrection. Disrespect has no limits, and the leader of (an opposition party)president yelled out to Chavez the obscenity ¡El coño de tu madre! (Refers to the sexual organ of Chavez's mother.)
--In which country has this ever been said to a head of state?
--"I don't believe that I have ever known another country that has such media debauchery." (Cardenal quoting Marta Harnecker).
-- Despite all that, no newspaper, TV station or radio has been shut down. (as of 2004)
-- Neither are there any political prisoners.


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:hi: to all the "marxist activists" :rofl:

naaman fletcher
You mean a group of marxist activists who have never been to latin america don't know how to correctly interpret the nuances of Latin American politics? I'm shocked!


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 05:22 PM
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10. I shudder at the thought of anyone stupid enough to not realize you know EXACTLY what you're saying.
It's just sad!

Thanks for your material. It most certainly is enlightening, as it always is when you have time to contribute.

Some don't seem to grasp there are real people of honor left in the world. The concept seems baffling, clearly.
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bherrera Donating Member (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 09:31 AM
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2. I researched this item
El Mico refers to the presumed leader of a band of FARC guerrillas which, in 2004, killed Venezuelan national guard members within Venezuela, but near the border with Colombia. Information has been collected from FARC which indicates this attack was carried out by the FARC "10th Command", and this man El Mico was in the group which killed the Venezuelans, which included a woman engineer who worked for PDVSA.
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 02:16 PM
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5. good post
Don't expect a retraction.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 10:28 AM
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3. mono and mico are both terms for monkey, "the monkey remains" is the proper translation
not the "mico" is next. I see that Chavez has picked up on this and says he is the "mico". I do not argue with that.


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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 02:17 PM
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6. you mean
You mean a group of marxist activists who have never been to latin america don't know how to correctly interpret the nuances of Latin American politics? I'm shocked!
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VioletLake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 06:22 PM
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18. "Mono" and "mico" are both words for "monkey".
"Mono", in Colombia, is also slang for "rubio", or, "fair-haired", which may explain the origin of the nickname.
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