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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 07:01 PM
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Chavez vetos Larry Palmer; has some advice for Obama
Edited on Sun Aug-08-10 07:07 PM by rabs



Chavez speaking today on "Alo presidente" about Obama's nominee to be ambassador in Caracas.

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"Obama, how can you believe that I am going to accept that gentleman? The best (thing to do) is that you retire him, Obama. I'm asking you, don't insist."

"The best thing the U.S. government can do is look for another candidate."

"He cannot come as ambassador. He disqualified himself by breaking all the rules of diplomacy. He got into it with us. He cannot come here."



http://www.eltiempo.com/mundo/latinoamerica/hugo-chavez-veto-la-designacion-de-embajador-de-estados-unidos-en-venezuela-_7849942-1

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Figured this was going to happen when Palmer's idiotic comments about Venezuela were leaked to El Tiempo of Bogota and the Wall Street Urinal last week.

Burkina Faso, or maybe Chad, may come open soon for Palmer.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

(edit to correct smiley) :-)



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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 08:48 PM
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1. The U.S. could at least pretend to be diplomatic. Jeez.
But I remember, wa-a-a-a-ay back during Obama's inauguration week, Obama getting on Spanish-language TV and calling Chavez "a threat to the region" and so on. He wasn't even president yet, and he was bad-mouthing Chavez. I wrote it off to bad advisors at the time, and God knows Obama had a lot on his plate that week. But it did echo back to Obama's campaign speech to the Miami mafia, bad-mouthing Chavez. I had written that off to the dangerous venue. Obama was introducing the notion of reapproachment with Cuba. I figured he had to bash somebody that that crowd hates. However, both things were not mistakes, in U.S. relations with Venezuela. They were harbingers.

And neither was this appointment a mistake. It was a very pointed insult.

I still hold out the hope--as to my personal opinion of Obama--that he simply has no control over U.S. policy in Latin America. But I have to admit that the worst could be true, that he is wholly in accord with the warmongers in the Pentagon and the economic warfare of "free trade for the rich," enforced by the very big U.S. military buildup in the region. It's a difficult situation to read. It starts with the coup d'etat here--the Bush Junta--followed by a limited countercoup circa 2006, with the CIA ousting Rumsfeld, in coalition with Daddy Bush who was rescuing Bush Jr from CIA retribution and U.S. military brass who didn't want to nuke Iran. Nancy Pelosi blurted out the deal. "Impeachment is off the table." Immunity from prosecution for the Bush Junta principles was the bargaining chip. And, amidst these arrangements, it was decided to let the Democrats win in 2006, and in 2008, but only in a very limited way. Obama had to agree to these terms to become president--no investigation, no prosecution of the war criminals and master thieves who had preceded him, continuation of the Forever War, very limited domestic reforms and large areas of policy--for instance, Latin America--would be given over to the likes of Jim DeMint (Diebold-SC), John "death squad" Negroponte (advisor to Hillary Clinton during the Honduran coup), William Brownfield (Bushwhack ambassador to Colombia, still in place, who signed the secretly negotiated U.S./Colombia military agreement), Pentagon war profiteers and other servants of Corporate Rule, including front person Hillary Clinton.

IF this is what occurred, maybe it was the best that Obama could do, to get into a position of power to do SOME good. Or maybe he's just a malleable opportunist. It is truly hard to say. But there IS a quite arguable assessment that, someone with good intentions inheriting the White House--the seat of power in Imperial Rome--after a rightwing coup d'etat whose operatives remain extremely powerful, would look just like this, to us peons: an inexplicable continuation of coup policy with only small, incremental, almost invisible changes, worked from within, to try to gain control of the hijacked mechanisms of the U.S. government. It is arguable that this is what is going on with the Forever War, that Obama is very gradually bringing it to an end. Arguable on health care. Arguable on a lot of things, even on Latin America (although Latin America is looking more and more like the "circle the wagons" region for our Imperial Rulers).

It's hard to give up hope--isn't it?--that somehow we might achieve a just and representative government, without having to seriously attack and reform control systems like the 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines, without having to truly awaken, as a people, and take our government back. Hope that somebody else will do it. Hope that at least somebody in our government cares about the rest of us and about social justice and peace in the world, and is quietly working for the good, against great odds. I find myself torn, like many other people, between those hopes and the reality of what we are able to see.

Venezuelans do not deserve this insult, nor any of the bile that has been laid upon them. They deserve our praise and support for electing a government that acts in their interests. That is what WE stand for, as a people. That is what WE want. But democracy is not easy to recover, once lost--especially when it is lost in this mind-boggling, 'Alice in Wonderland' way, covered over with illusion and secret doings. I find Chavez's bluntness refreshing, in this situation. I don't really want pretend diplomacy from our government. I want genuine diplomacy and commitment to peaceful ways. But I am afraid that we are hanging over the precipice of yet another war, for yet another ill purpose. And I simply don't know where our president stands on this matter, but I am well aware that if he declares himself for "peace, respect and cooperation" in Latin America--as he did--and then ACTS ON IT, he will likely be removed. (Jim DeMint made that very clear when he held up Obama's appointments in Latin America until the Bushwhack-designed coup in Honduras could be completed. He and other Bushwhack operatives are running U.S. policy in Latin America, and Obama cannot challenge this, if he is of a mind to.)
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-10 09:03 PM
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2. I imagine that there will be no US ambassador to Ven
the head foreign officer will take over those duties. I believe Obama had no intention of having Palmer serve there.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 02:36 PM
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3. That may be true--that Obama (or whoever is calling these shots) never intended Palmer to serve
but then why make this nomination at all, except as a insult and/or to annoy Chavez, so that he has to reject the nomination, and thus gets the onus of bad relations with the U.S.?

And what has Chavez DONE to the U.S., other than call Bush the Devil, an arguable point? Oh, and he punched Exxon Mobil in the nose. It's about time SOMEBODY did that, in my opinion. So, what's the beef with Chavez, other than the bad example he is setting with universal free medical care and free college educations for the poor? Is that it? That's what one of the Honduran coup generals thinks, who said that their coup was "to prevent communism from Venezuela reaching the United States." To him, raising the minimum wage is communism. Gotta prevent ideas like that from "reaching the United States." Actually, I DO know why our corporate rulers and war profiteers hate Chavez and everybody who voted for him. It's just a rhetorical question, but kind of a telling one. What IS Chavez's offense?
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-10 03:41 PM
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4. sure, Chavez didn't have to reject him
there is anotther article today in El Universal saying the US State Department insists that Palmer be the represenative. remember the US ambassador is the US government top representative in whichever country. the ambassador is NOT Chavez's representative to the US.

I doubt the US will be in much of a hurry to find a replacement if at all. and I am sure the earth will keep turning if the US doesn't have a political representative in Ven. not really a huge issue.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 07:36 AM
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5. Look, you just don't DO that--appoint an ambassador who starts bad-mouthing the country
that he has been appointed to before he even gets there. You are GOADING the country in question to NOT accept the diplomat's credentials, which every leader of a sovereign country has a right to do. Venezuela has a right not to put up with a U.S. ambassador accusing it of "harboring terrorists", especially on the basis of Colombian "evidence" that smells to high heaven and that was MORE THAN LIKELY cooked up in Langley. This could be interpreted as pre-war psyops. It is at the very least egregious U.S. meddling and aggravation of a dispute that could lead to hostilities, as it very nearly did with the U.S./Colombian bombing/raid on Ecuador "in pursuit of the FARC" in March 2008. Nobody has proven that Venezuela "harbors" FARC guerrillas, and, from what I can tell, virtually no one believes it. (And consider the source: an outgoing president of Colombia who has called everybody who opposes him--academics, teachers, artists, journalists, the political opposition--"terrorists"--making everyone who opposes him potential targets of rightwing death squads, and some 70 of whose closest political cohorts are under investigation or have already been prosecuted and are in jail for drug trafficking, bribery, spying, ties to death squads and other crimes. Talk about a tainted source!)

So, what is an Obama ambassadorial appointee DOING injecting himself into this dispute?

It may not be an earth-shattering development, but it IS one more evidence of U.S. hostility to Venezuela's DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED government. This was a provocation. And it is reasonable to ask "WHY?" Is it just general U.S. government hatred of oil profits being used to benefit the poor and of Latin American countries asserting their sovereignty? Is it just part of the overall policy of the U.S. government of supporting fascist governments (to the tune of $7 BILLION in military aid) and reviling leftist democracies that don't accept U.S. military aid and U.S. military occupation of their territory? Or is it a more specific harbinger of something worse to come? Perhaps another plot to overthrow Venezuelan democracy? A U.S. funded border incursion by its client state, Colombia, into Venezuela, using the EXCUSE of these unproven, un-established and, frankly, laughable allegations?

It's hard to say. But, given the U.S. military buildup in the region, it is not a matter of no consequence that the U.S. would make an insulting ambassador appointment to Venezuela. It is, in fact, VERY IMPORTANT for us sucker taxpayers here in the USA to figure out what our government is up to, what it is using our money for, and who and what it is supporting in our name, not to mention the Pentagon's purpose in occupying Colombia and surrounding Venezuela with war assets.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 08:06 AM
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6. looks like Obama intends to stay with Palmer
I think its of no great consequence to not have an ambassador in Venezuela. do you???
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CJvR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:09 AM
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7. I don't think...
...the US and Venezuela have much more to say to eachother.

Never a good thing when that happens.
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