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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 07:01 PM
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US plan to facilitate Colombian access to extradited paramilitaries
The U.S. government presented a plan designed to make it easier for Colombian judicial authorities to access extradited paramilitaries being held in U.S. prisons, in order to facilitate victim reparation in Colombia's Justice and Peace process, according to Minister of Interior and Justice Fabio Valencia Cossio.

The plan will see prisoners concentrated in two U.S. prisons in order to expedite and facilitate access to them, while the Colombian government will appoint a liaison officer who will co-ordinate with the Colombian Prosecutor General's office, the Colombian Supreme Court and ordinary courts.

http://colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/11102-us-plan-to-facilitate-colombian-access-to-extradited-paramilitaries.html

U.S. and Colombia continue to battle terrorists on both the left and the right. Too bad Chavez harbors leftist terrorists.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 07:26 PM
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1. Apart from the DISCREDITED laptop, that even InterPol laughs at, what proof do you offer.
Why don't you drop the "terraist" BS. It sounds like Bush and the teabaggers.

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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 07:29 PM
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2. Well,
We have very specific accusations of FARC camps, with GPS coordinates and in some place pictures. Now, of course Colombia could be lying. That should be easy to figure out.. just check out the allegations.

However, if you look below at another article that I posted today, Venezuela admits they have no been to the sites and have no intention of going. So, while that is not proof, it is a pretty strong hint at what is going on. This is particularly true since FARC has hidden in other countries before, and Chavez has met with FARC leaders before and given them warm embraces.

A proper response from Venezuela would have been to say that it opposes the FARC kidnappers and terrorists and while its pretty sure there are none in Venezuela, it will check out the claim with its military forces, instead of sending military forces to Colombia's border.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 09:49 PM
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3. What VZ or Colombia say, and what they are doind could be two different things.
So no reports of Colombia readying troops means only that there are no reports. Chavez growling at Colombia may be just that. Given the coup, you'd understand that.
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 09:53 PM
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4. Yes I understand that
Colombia might be doing something that is different from what they say. I wish people would realized that Chavez sometimes might be doing something different from what he says, as well.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 09:57 PM
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5. It would help if you consider that posters here relish democracy in VZ.
While Chavez gets pretty high marks, in that he has been democratically elected, he's not "worshiped". The moneyed interests in LA being smushed by a group of policies aimed toward the majority is delicious.

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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 10:03 PM
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6. Well,
Considering that the posters here never, and I mean NEVER, have EVER made even the slightest criticism of him, I conclude that he is worshiped.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 10:14 PM
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8. Don't. They merely bristle at the obvious attempts to bash VZ democracy. n/t
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 10:18 PM
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9. i find that hard to believe.
There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Chavez, yet they don't acknowledge any of them, and in fact attempt to white-wash them.
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 10:10 PM
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7. What "DISCREDITED" laptop that "InterPol laughs at" are you talking about?
Do you mean the ones INTERPOL examined and determined were not tampered with, despite all the furious prattle from the FARCies?
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 10:20 PM
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10. I may have misspoke. Nevertheless, do you see InterPol suggesting this "evidence" will carry the day...
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/interpol-farc-raul-reyes-laptop-not-modified-colombia-updated-ii

OAS has also declared that documents on the computer could not be reliable evidence in any judicial court. Colombian Senator and International mediator, Piedad Cordoba, diminished the findings of Interpol. Cordoba does believe the content of the computers has been modified.


Pssst. Zorro. Wanna buy some YellowCake?

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 10:29 PM
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11. Gotta run but wanted to post this: INTERPOL in Colombia 3 + 3 = 8
INTERPOL in Colombia 3 + 3 = 8


I have just finished reading INTERPOL's report on the computers that the government of Colombia says it found in an encampment of the FARC-EP on March 1. Reading the report I am once again fascinated with what experts can do with computers. But I am shocked that the world's best known detective agency cannot add three plus three.
INTERPOL in Colombia 3 + 3 = 8

by Charlie Hardy - May 20, 2008

I have just finished reading INTERPOL's report on the computers that the government of Colombia says it found in an encampment of the FARC-EP on March 1. Reading the report I am once again fascinated with what experts can do with computers. But I am shocked that the world's best known detective agency cannot add three plus three.

On pages 10 and 11 of the report in English, Interpol begins a description about how it came to be involved in the work. It says that on March 4 it received a request from Colombian authorities asking for Interpol's "independent computer forensic technical assistance to examine the user files on the eight seized FARC computer exhibits".

In Appendix 2, they show a letter that they received from Brigadier General Oscar Adolor Narnjo Truillo, Director General of the National Police of Colombia. In the letter General Naranjo requests that INTERPOL evaluate "three (3) computers and three (3) USB devices." Adding three and three, I arrive at a total of six pieces of computer hardware not eight as INTERPOL mentioned.

The next day Mr. Ronald K. Nobel, the Secretary General of Interpol, sent a letter (Appendix 3) to Ms. Maria del Pilar Hurtado Afanador, the directress of the D.A.S (Departamento Administrativo de Seguridad) in Bogota accepting the invitation to go to Colombia to establish the terms of the agreement. In the letter he, again, mentions six pieces of hardware: "three (3) computers and three (3) USB keys."

But on March 6 Ms. Hurtado sends him a letter (Appendix 4) asking that Interpol look at "the three lap-top computers, the three USB keys and two hard-disk drives." On March 4 there were only six items to look at, but for some reason two hard drives were found someplace by March 6.

Throughout their report, INTERPOL speaks of eight pieces of hardware, but I find no place where it questions why the government originally asked them to check only six pieces. It would seem to me that any reputable detective group would ask for such an explanation.

For multiple reasons, the INTERPOL report doesn't fit my description of good detective work that I learned from Dick Tracy, Columbo and G.K. Chesterton's Father Brown.

Throughout the report INTERPOL speaks of the hardware as belonging to Raul Reyes, although they never present any proof of this. This in itself shows prejudice on the part of INTERPOL. The two experts that reviewed the hardware do not speak Spanish. Who were the experts that decided the computers and materials belonged to Reyes? There is a photo in the report showing Reyes sitting in front of a computer. That's proof that the computers and hardware belonged to him? Dick Tracy would have looked for fingerprints, not only of Raul Reyes (which actually could have been put on the computers after he was dead) but of the authorities who touched the computers also. Father Brown would have wondered how the Colombian authorities could find so rapidly documents that said the FARC-EP helped finance Chávez's political campaign in the '90s and that, as president, Chávez had offered them three hundred million dollars. And I think Columbo would have had more than one question to ask Ms. Hurtado before he walked out the door of the D.A.S. office.

By the way, speaking of Colombian authorities, the report says: "Colombian law enforcement authorities have openly stated to INTERPOL's computer forensic experts that an officer in their anti-terrorist unit directly accessed the eight seized FARC computer exhibits under exigent and time-sensitive circumstances between 1 March 2008, when they were seized by Colombian authorities, and 3 March 2008." In my opinion that sentence was included to show how the Colombian government cooperated with INTERPOL in the task it was given. But I cannot believe that simply "an officer" did everything with the computers during those first three days. To me it is another indication of the the way Colombia has distorted what has happened in the events surrounding those days of the attack on Ecuadorian territory.

And referring to Ecuador, President Rafael Correa has said that if we are to believe what the FARC-EP has supposedly said about Ecuador than we should also believe what they have to say about President Uribe's links to drug trafficking and to the para-militaries. Now that INTERPOL has made back-up copies of everything on these eight pieces of hardware, it would be nice if Colombia would share them with Venezuela and Ecuador so that these countries, which seem to be mentioned so frequently in the computers, could see if any mention is made about Colombia in them.

But in any case, it would seem to me that anyone with common sense would put little credibility into whatever comes out of these supposed pieces of evidence. Where did the computers come from? Who did they belong to? Who put the information into them? Even if they were used by Raul Reyes and even if he did enter some items into them, is it possible that an infiltrated person also put items into the computers? There are a multitude of who, what, when, where, why, and how questions that are not answered in the report. More seriously, they are not even asked.

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/interpol-in-colombia-3--3--8/

There are a few interesting comments at the end of the article.
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 10:29 PM
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12. Pssst Wilms. Here's what INTERPOL had to say
"Following the publication of ‘INTERPOL’s Forensic report on FARC computers and hardware seized by Colombia’ on Thursday, 15 May 2008, there have been many inaccurate and misleading statements made in relation to INTERPOL’s findings.

The most recent misinterpretation of the report’s conclusions was contained in a press release issued by Ecuador’s Ministry of Foreign Relations on Tuesday, 10 June following a meeting with INTERPOL officials from its New York office at the United Nations. Ecuador's press release gives the false impression that some ‘new’ information was brought to light during its meeting with INTERPOL representatives. INTERPOL believes that Ecuador has misinterpreted the key findings of INTERPOL's report and the content of discussions with INTERPOL staff.

For example, Ecuador’s press release inaccurately suggests that INTERPOL had not established whether the eight seized exhibits forensically examined by INTERPOL’s computer forensic experts had been recovered by Colombian authorities on 1 March 2008 from a FARC camp or belonged to Raul Reyes.

In fact, during the preparation of its report INTERPOL requested and was provided with documents and information relating to the chain of custody of the exhibits seized by Colombian authorities on 1 March 2008. Based on a review of all the information and material provided by Colombia, including a classified oral briefing, INTERPOL was able to satisfy itself, and clearly stated in its report, that the seized computer exhibits it was requested to forensically examine were taken from the FARC terrorist camp on 1 March 2008 and belonged to Raul Reyes. This finding was inextricably linked to INTERPOL's determination as to whether there was any manipulation or alteration of data contained in those seized computer exhibits.

The INTERPOL report clearly states that the overall conclusion of its experts was that ‘no user files have been created, modified or deleted on any of the eight FARC computer exhibits following their seizure on 1 March 2008’ (paragraph 99). The report also makes clear that after detailed and careful computer forensic analysis – comprehensively documented within the text - the experts excluded the possibility that the user files were tampered with after 1 March 2008, including the period between 1 and 3 March 2008.

Therefore, the assertion in the press release issued by Ecuador that there was no evidence ‘that user files had not been created, modified or deleted’ is groundless. Clearly, if no user file has been created or modified or deleted on a computer then there will not be any evidence of this, as it does not exist..."

Read the whole thing at:http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/PressReleases/PR2008/PR200826.asp

And who knew that Piedad Cordoba, known for her objectivity and complete lack of bias, is also a computer forensics expert?
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 11:08 PM
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13. You and Judi posted replies the same minute!
Anyway...have a look at what she posted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=405&topic_id=39408&mesg_id=39455

And remember, the State Dept. got a SOUTHCOM General to take back testimony that refused to label Chavez a "terrist". What do you make of that??
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