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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:07 AM
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Brazilian president Lula calls Chavez "a great peacemaker"
Source: Xinhua

RIO DE JANEIRO, March 27 (Xinhua) -- Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva Thursday hailed the role played by his Venezuelan counterpart Hugo Chavez in the Colombia-Ecuador crisis, saying he was "the great peacemaker."

"Who was the great peacemaker in the conflict between Colombia and Ecuador? It was clearly President Chavez," Lula told a news conference in the northern Brazilian city of Recife, on the second day of a visit by Chavez.

Chavez helped prevent what seemed to be the beginning of a serious conflict in the region on March 1, when Colombian troops attacked in Ecuadorian territory a camp of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), the country's largest rebel group, he said.

Read more: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/28/content_7874244.htm



You gotta love Lula. The only way Latin America is going to stand up for their own democracy and against anti-democratic US policy is if they stand up together.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:08 AM
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1. I do love it. LOL.
:)
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:42 AM
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2. Chavez is actually
a pretty decent guy - at least he's trying to help his people, against some tough odds and alot of diplomatic pressure AND he's been more honest about * than anyone in congress.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:50 AM
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3. He's pretty good at avoiding the assassination attempts by our government.
He'd have made a helluva ball player. :)
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:52 AM
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4. someone needs to figure out
what gene gives him that power - and then give that gene to the Kennedys
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 02:00 AM
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5. It's not a gene
It's the fact that the Venezuelan people would riot if anything ever happened to Chavez. That's how Chavez was returned to power after the US helped overthrow their democracy in 2002. Chavistas surrounded the capital, and the Venezuelan right-wing terrorists thought better of executing Chavez and brought him back.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 02:14 AM
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7. No doubt the next phase will be an all out effort to separate Hugo Chavez, one way or another,
from the good will of his people. This would be any number of filthy tricks from Washington.

You recall Richard Nixon told Richard Helms, who preserved it in documents, he wanted to "make the economy scream" in Chile, and proceeded to create absolute havoc, driving the country into chaos, then controlled the media, loading anti-Allende propaganda into newspapers and radio stations, etc., owned by newspaper magnate Austin Edwards (while pumping MILLIONS of U.S. taxpayers' hard-earned money into these news outlets in order to dictate content.)

We know tactics are surely far nastier and quicker now, beyond a doubt, since right-wing fools in the White House have had a chance to assimilate what has already been done earlier, and build on that, in their amoral, greedy rush to control countries which are literally none of their ####ing business.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 02:24 AM
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8. Chile didn't have all that oil, unfortunately.
While the Eye of Mordor is fixated on the Precious in the Middle East, the little hobbitses south of us move inch by mile in their own different direction.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 03:47 AM
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9. You're right. Maybe Chavez would have a better chance living a year or two longer if he spent the
people's money on "rich guy" things, instead of plowing it right into the country in ways that benefited the poor who live there, too.

Excess, greed, savagery is FINE with our morally deformed right wing, but sharing with the poor gets them so wild they can't rest until they can send men to start slaughtering the offending parties and plowing them into mass graves.





Why is Bush trying to kill one of these men,
and kissing the other? Damned creepy, after all.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 01:27 PM
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14. Chile had all of that Copper...
Which was of significant importance to ITT and a growing World communications cartel.

Not to mention nitrates used in a lot of ordinance... I think that Chile had significant resources to say the least.

Chile's Copper and Nitrates didn't save them from the US sponsored torture of 80,000 citizens and the disappearance of at least 3,000.

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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 01:34 PM
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15. Judi, thank you again for reminding us
of this history. It is scary sometimes when I hear democrats help to propagate the hype that Chavez is a dictator. I worry that they will be duped into supporting a Chile style military coup. We as democrats should see through the hawkish oil interests that are seeking to dismantle Venezuelan democracy. Thank you for keeping it real.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 02:06 AM
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6. Here are several Chavez beisbol photos.






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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 12:47 PM
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13. LOL! Thanks, Judi Lynn. Those are great.
:)
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magbana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 04:26 PM
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19. I think Chavez has ample protection . . .
from the Cubans. Best in the world at keeping a head of state alive.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 04:25 AM
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10. Uribe's got death squads & mass graves. Chavez doesn't.
I hate to keep repeating this. But nobody else is even mentioning it (yes, you anti-Chavez scumbag liars Larry Rohter/NYT, Simon Romero/NYT, Juan Forero/NYT, Christopher Toothaker/AP, Ian James/AP, Fabiola Sanchez/AP ... who is paying these turds?)

IMAGINE if Hugo Chavez had death squads and mass graves. F**KING IMAGINE. Why isn't Uribe a household name, smeared 24/7?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 05:20 AM
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11. Lula described as memorable for the OAS declaration against Colombia
Lula described as memorable for the OAS declaration against Colombia
Posted: 2008/03/28

The President of the Federative Republic of Brazil, Luis Inacio Lula da Silva, described as memorable for the decisions taken in the Organization of American States ''OAS'', the unanimous declaration given in that organization to reject the invasion of the Colombian army in Ecuador, where they killed a guerrilla group.


Pernambuco, March 27 ABN.- Lula da Silva made theses statements Thursday during a press conference offered along with his Venezuelan counterpart, Hugo Chávez, at the Palacio del Campo Las Princesas, in Brazil.

He stressed that, for the first time, the United States was along at the OAS, due to all the countries voted unanimously and the US did not create any problem and accepted the result.

'That could seen simple for someone who does know about it, but for someone who has experience in the diplomatic field knows that it was an unprecedented act in the OAS' decisions. The most important was that the organization repeated the decision taken in Santo Domingo for the Río Group,' Lula stressed.

He said that the press of the world informed about the war between Colombia and Venezuela during several days. However, the great pacifist of the Colombia-Ecuador was Chávez.

More:
http://www.mathaba.net/rss/?x=586957
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 08:18 AM
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12. Lulu is so right--but what's interesting is that he SAYS so PUBLCLY.
Brazil is going to be a key factor in defeating Bush/Rumsfeld's oil war plan in South America. If the new left leadership of South America sticks together, the plan cannot succeed. The Bushites have tried every dirty trick in the book to "divide and conquer." They have failed so far. Their failure has been colossal. They are now going to try serious destabilization and military force. And, if I'm right, their plan is going to be the first major test of the new South American unity and cooperation. Indeed, the plan is aimed at destroying that unity and cooperation. The Bushites are going to try to split up Bolivia, where white separatists intend to declare their "independence," probably this May (in a brewing constitutional crisis), and secede from the central government of Evo Morales--the first indigenous president of Bolivia (a largely indigenous country), and a strong ally of Venezuela, Ecuador and Argentina. These rightwing separatists want to control the four eastern provinces of Bolivia, where the gas and oil are, to deny benefit of those resources to the poor majority. I have no doubt whatsoever that the Bushites are funding, and probably arming and organizing these fascists. The Bushite goal will be to set up an armed fascist enclave in the heart of Andes, at the south end of the Boliviarian alliance--as a means of gaining strategic ground (in a fast shrinking Bushite map), to disturb Argentina (Bolivarian ally) and Paraguay (if they elect a leftist this year), and to harry oil-rich Venezuela and Ecuador with a multi-front assault of major trouble, including more trouble with the massively armed (by the Bushites--$5.5 BILLION in military aid) Colombia, on their borders.

I think this is what Donald Rumsfeld means, in his 12/1/07 op-ed in the Washington Post, by "swift" U.S. "action" in support of "friends and allies" in South America. He means Bush responding to a request by the white separatists in Bolivia for U.S. military support for their "independence."

It is fascinating what happened with the hostage negotiations and the Ecuador/Colombia incident. I think now that this entire incident was a Bushite war trap (which very much smells of Rumsfeld, who was avidly watching those events--he mentions it in his first paragraph). In the lead-up to the '06 presidential election in Venezuela--which Chavez won with 63% of the vote--a plot to assassinate Chavez was exposed among close associates of Alvaro Uribe (president of Colombia, who started his career as the go-to guy for the Medellin Cartel, and is now the go-to guy for the Bush Cartel). The rightwing candidate running against Chavez was obliged to publicly disavow this plot (which also involved using a false poll--cooked up in Washington DC--that said Chavez had actually lost, stirring up rightwing riots, destabilizing the country, toppling the government and killing Chavez). And the plot was so close to Uribe, that Uribe was obliged to apologize to Chavez, in a four hour meeting. (In fact, this assassination plot was so well known among Latin American leaders--and so well understood as a Bushite plot--that even the rightwing president of Mexico, Felipe Calderon, mentioned it, obliquely, when he publicly lectured Bush on the sovereignty of Latin American countries, using Venezuela as an example--on Bush's tour of Latin America in spring '06.) I think it was at this Uribe/Chavez meeting, about the assassination plot, that Uribe first asked Chavez to undertake negotiations with the FARC (leftist guerrilla group in Colombia--still fighting after more than forty years of civil war), for release of their hostages. And this request to Chavez was a trap--which Uribe either consciously set at the meeting, or was advised by the Bushites to turn into a trap, shortly after the meeting.

This is the best explanation for Uribe's erratic behavior during the hostage negotiations--and his utterly treacherous behavior in killing the chief FARC hostage negotiator, Raul Reyes, in the attack on Ecuador. Chavez took his task seriously, contacted the FARC, and arranged for the release of the first two hostages, on the weekend of 12/1/07--same weekend as Rumsfeld's op-ed. Just before this first hostage release, and the Rumsfeld op-ed, Uribe suddenly announced that he was rescinding his request to Chavez, calling off the negotiation. By this time, the hostages were in route to Caracas, with a FARC party on a 20-mile hike through the jungle. The Colombian military heavily bombed the position of the hostages (recently reported by the two hostages), driving them back into the jungle under fire. The goal was to create a disaster for Chavez, with dead hostages.

The FARC previously had said that they need a demilitarized zone for safe passage, to release hostages. Chavez talked them into an unconditional release, as a show of good faith. Uribe then betrayed Chavez and bombed them. The FARC managed to keep the hostages and themselves from getting killed, retreated into the jungle, re-contacted Chavez, and made new arrangements for this release--which was successfully achieved some weeks later. Meanwhile, the presidents of France, Ecuador, Argentina and others began heavily pressuring Uribe to re-start the hostage negotiations. He would not do so. But Chavez continued the effort and got four more hostages released, unconditionally (no safe zone). And these leaders got in contact with the FARC for further releases (including Ingrid Betancourt--a French/Colombian citizen). These developments signaled a possible political settlement to end the long Colombian civil war.

At this point, the U.S./Colombia bombed the camp of the chief FARC hostage negotiator, Raul Reyes--which was just inside Ecuador's border--and sent troops over the border, killing Reyes and 24 others, in their sleep, thus killing any further hope of more hostage releases and peace talks. Uribe called Rafael Correa and lied to him that it was "hot pursuit" (the only circumstance in which such an incursion is permitted--and a tenuous one at that). Ecuador's military soon found out that that was not true. They found bodies in their pajamas and underwear, some shot in the back. It was not a fighting guerrilla group. It was a hostage negotiation group. Correa then revealed that he was about to receive 12 FARC hostages, including Betancourt. Colombia--using U.S. surveillance (a Reyes phone call on a satellite phone), U.S. ordinance ("smart bombs"), and very likely U.S. aircraft (and possibly personnel)--very likely from the controversial U.S. airbase in Manta, Ecuador--had very nearly killed 12 hostages, and, in any case, had violated Ecuador's sovereignty, had slaughtered a large group of people--some by bombs, sight unseen--including several visiting Mexican students and an Ecuadoran citizen. No arrest. No charges. No trial. No appeal.

President Correa was furious. He ordered several Ecuadoran military battalions to the Colombian border, to prevent further incursions. President Chavez in Venezuela did the same. (Venezuela borders Colombia to the north, Ecuador to the south--and both have had trouble with Colombian incursions--killings, pesticide sprayings of border area peasant farms--before.) And it was at this point, I think, that Chavez began to realize what the whole Bushite/Rumsfeld plan was--the arc of the plan from beginning to end. It was a plan to discredit him and other Bolivarian leaders as "terrorist-lovers," and to justify a U.S. military attack on their countries, drawing them into a war. Chavez moved troops to Venezuela's border to assure Correa that he was not alone; then he talked Correa out of retaliating.

I watched the vid of the Rio group (dispute settling organization of all Latin American countries--of which the U.S. is not a member). My Spanish is not good enough to follow what was said. But you really didn't need to understand the words. The body language was sufficient. Rafael Correa was still furious, as was President Cristina Fernandez (Argentina, which had also been involved in the hostage negotiations). If Correa had had a sword in his hand, he would have run Uribe through. Uribe acted the sullen little fascist prick that he is, smug in his billions of military aid from the Bush junta, and no doubt lots of drug earnings stashed away for his retirement. The room was seething with resentment at what he had done. He was forced to apologize and to sign an agreement that Colombia had violated Ecuador's sovereignty (passed by the OAS, with only the Bush/U.S. voting no). And Chavez--to my great surprise--was bouncing around the room with great jolliness, slapping backs and shaking hands, and even got photographed with a big easy smile on his face leaning over Uribe. I puzzled about this for a while. And I finally realized that Chavez had just averted a war--their falling into Rumsfeld's war trap. That is why he looked so happy and relieved. Correa has only been president of Ecuador for a year, and is a younger man (and what a looker! my, my!); Chavez is older and wiser, and has been dealing with dirty rotten Bushite schemes for eight years. He cooled things down. He convinced Correa to swallow his pride, and accept the apology, because he knows that they are winning this battle in the long run, and war is the Bushite plan for undoing all their progress, destabilizing the region, pitting one against another, creating mayhem, and grabbing their oil.

Round one to Chavez. This is what Lula da Silva was talking about--not only Chavez's effort to get peace talks started to settle the Colombian civil war (beginning with FARC hostage releases), but his dealings with Correa and Uribe over this act of war against Ecuador.

Round two will be Bolivia, in my opinion. And it's going to take a King Solomon to prevent hostilities in that tinderbox situation. Evo Morales--another peace-maker--has asked for a plebiscite on his administration--a sort of volunteer recall election--this spring, to measure public opinion on the constitutional reforms that he was elected to promote. He says he will resign, if the people want him to. I believe he got 80% of the vote on the referendum as to undertaking constitutional reforms. But the white separatists are using the occasion of the constitutional re-write committees to cause major disruption, in their demand for autonomy. This is all coming to a head in late spring of this year--a situation made to order for Rumsfeldian trouble-making and warmongering, and stoked by massive amounts of USAID-NED money, which is used to train rightwing cadres in how to destabilize leftist democracies. In prior times, the CIA had to use covert budgets and drug money for ops like this. Now they drain money from our treasury using budgets like USAID-NED, in addition to other funds (and now, billions stolen from us in Iraq, and no doubt stashed in various banks around the world--to pay for mercenaries, weapons, hit squads and so forth). Rumsfeld is set up for a long war of attrition. But he wants to spark it this year, and get the U.S. into another quagmire as well, so that we can't get out.

The real issue for the separatists is use of the profits from the gas and oil reserves in the separatist provinces. So that could possibly be the way to avert a civil war--although there is also a simmering racial issue. The separatists are white bigots. As Judi Lynn has reported, the indigenous were not permitted to walk on the sidewalks in Bolivia, as late as the 1950s. The rich landowners in these provinces at one point imported white South Africans, from apartheid South Africa, to bolster their numbers, and grab land from the indians. Indigenous have been killed, tortured, brutalized, impoverished, in these areas of Bolivia. Many have been driven off the land into urban shantytowns. For those who remain, it is not safe. And if the provinces gain autonomy, they will be at great risk, without protection from the central government.

However, if some settlement is reached in which these rich people can continue to enrich themselves--say, akin to the Venezuelan, Bolivian and other negotiations with global corporate predators, over percentages of profits to the public good vs. percentage of profits to the predators-- perhaps the country can be held together. Their motive is greed. If their greed is sufficiently satisfied, perhaps they can be separated from the Bush instigators and a war avoided. They have no principles, really. That is just USAID-NED propaganda--much like the crap we've heard about "free speech" from the fascists in Venezuela, over Chavez denying a license renewal to RCTV. When the fascists perpetrated the coup in Venezuela, in 2002, the first thing they did was suspend the Constitution and all civil rights. RCTV helped them do it. They don't believe in "free speech." They just want power and money. But the Bushites help them develop these utter lies as "talking points," for the corporate press to utilize in keeping North Americans stupid about all this. So, when these Bolivian white separatists use words like "independence" and "autonomy," they are not like Thomas Jefferson or Tom Paine, or Simon Bolivar, fighting for democratic principles. They are just bullshitting--saying things that sound good. This gives me hope that they can bought--by the indigenous! A nice irony, that. Democracy has given the indigenous rightful control of the country's resources. Now they have to purchase peace.

Latin American culture has been ingenious at devising solutions that we in the north really don't understand--the success of the Catholic religion in South America being a good case in point. I hope and trust that some sort of unique Latin American solution will be found in Bolivia--to deny Rumsfeld & co. the bloodshed and thievery they lust after. The Solomons of the new left in South America have proved themselves to be quite savvy so far. I think they are up to the task. Lulu's comments about Chavez tell me that my read on this situation has merit--and that the issue was very much: Bush-instigated war, vs. social justice and peace. And, although people were murdered, and peace was given a big setback, peace won out in the end. Further bloodshed and mayhem were averted. The alliances of the good guys were strengthened, and they will likely be able to handle whatever the Bushites throw at them, in the death throes of the Bush regime.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 02:33 PM
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17. In looking back, it would seem they've been thinking about solidarity for years,
Edited on Fri Mar-28-08 02:35 PM by Judi Lynn
particularly in light of the wonderful things they've said to the press which you've noted in your writing stressing their sense of unity. They were unshakable when Bush went south to attempt to put individual pressure on each President to isolate Chavez and freeze him out.

It has been odd watching Bush go after each one personally, in later times. Of course he's not finished with them by any means, but if they hang together, they have a historic chance to find the integration and identity which has always been beyond their reach, due to the weakness of individual Presidents who could so easily be bought or coerced to seek Washington's will FIRST, before the best interests of their own countries.









New kid on the block.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 01:45 PM
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16. Caracas, Friday March 28 , 2008
Edited on Fri Mar-28-08 01:45 PM by Judi Lynn
Caracas, Friday March 28 , 2008
Lula brands Chávez as "the great peacemaker"

Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva Thursday said his Venezuelan counterpart Hugo Chávez was the "great peacemaker" in the conflict that erupted following a Colombian military attack against a camp of the rebel Colombian Revolutionary Armed Forces (FARC) in Ecuadorian territory on March 1st.

"Who was the great peacemaker in the Colombia-Ecuador conflict? It was precisely President Chávez. Therefore, I would like to congratulate the former guerrilla man now turned into a pacifier," said Lula da Silva during a news conference he offered together with Chávez in Recife, Brazil, DPA reported.

"During several days, headlines all over the world made reference to the war between Colombia and Venezuela, and the great peacemaker in the conflict between Colombia and Ecuador was President Chávez himself," said Lula.

http://english.eluniversal.com/2008/03/28/en_colcd_art_lula-brands-chavez-a_28A1468159.shtml
opposition newspaper: it probably hurt them more than it hurts us to have to print this!

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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 09:45 PM
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22. I just saw that. El Universal actually reporting something such as this
must have made them bust a gut. Ha! Their readership must be soooo confused.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 04:24 PM
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18. Lula News:Solid Brazilian economy bolsters Lula's support
Solid Brazilian economy bolsters Lula's support
03-28-2008, 19h46
BRASILIA (AFP)

Support for Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva and his government is at a record high after more than five years in power thanks to a rock-solid economy that has spurred consumption, analysts say.

Approval of Lula's management hit 58 percent this month, the highest since he took charge in January 2003 and the culmination of steady rises since September 2007, according to the Ibope polling institute.

Over the same period, those with a negative view have dropped from 18 percent to 11 percent.

"It's a surprising development, because generally we see in Brazil a political cycle with a decline after a certain moment. With Lula, what's different is that the approval rating stays high and shows signs of strengthening," said one political analyst, Walder de Goes.

More:
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=222812
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 04:30 PM
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20. More Lula news: Lula to Bush: My son, solve the credit crisis
Lula to Bush: My son, solve the credit crisis
29 Mar 2008, 0000 hrs IST,REUTERS

RECIFE (BRAZIL): Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva urged US President George Bush in fatherly tones on Thursday to resolve the credit crisis in the United States so that Brazil's economy would not be harmed.

In a speech to businessmen, Lula said British PM Gordon Brown had told him that Bush was bothered by some of the Brazilian leader's earlier comments on the situation. Lula said he had then telephoned the US leader.

"I said to Bush: 'The problem is this, my son. We (in Brazil) have gone 26 years without growth. Are you going to block us now? Resolve your crisis.'"

Lula did not say when his conversations with Brown and Bush took place.

More:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Lula_to_Bush_Solve_the_credit_crisis/rssarticleshow/2908339.cms
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 12:43 AM
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21. "have gone 26 years without growth"
as the other countries in latin america
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