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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 04:09 PM
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Colombia to build new military base on Venezuelan border
Edited on Sat Dec-19-09 04:09 PM by Judi Lynn
Source: Agence France-Presse

Colombia to build new military base on Venezuelan border
AFP
December 20, 2009, 8:31 am

BOGOTA (AFP) - Colombia has announced it will build a new military base near its border with Venezuela, in a move likely to further strain its tense ties with Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

Defense Minister Gabriel Silva said Friday that the base, located on the Guajira peninsula near the city of Nazaret, would have up to 1,000 troops. Two air battalions would also be activated at other border areas.

"It is a strategic point from a defense point of view," Silva said.
The 1.5-million-dollar facility, paid for with Colombian tax funds, would also have a care facility for indigenous Wayuu people who live in the area, he added.

Army Commander General Oscar Gonzalez meanwhile announced Saturday that six air battalions were being activated, including two on the border with Venezuela.
Tensions between Venezuela and Colombia have been spurred by a US deal with Bogota allowing US forces to run anti-drug operations from Colombian bases.

Read more: http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/6607053/colombia-to-build-new-military-base-on-venezuelan-border/
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 04:13 PM
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1. What can I say....geez!
when will drones start cruising over that border!
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 04:19 PM
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2. The U.S. deal w/Bogata is only marginally about anti-drug
operations. It's really about Empire and stirring up hegemony in the Hemisphere against the progressive politics that have taken
hold in many parts of S.America.
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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:45 PM
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11. Would you mind elaborating?
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 09:06 PM
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25. "full spectrum operations throughout South America"
"including" drug interdiction. Also makes mention of "anti-U.S. governments." That sound like drug bad guys to you? Terrorists? Are drug lords and terrorists "anti-U.S. governments"? No. Who is an anti-U.S. government in South America?

Those quotes are from an Air Force document submitted to Congress this past spring regarding the six new bases.

http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/23098
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 07:53 PM
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37. "And endemic poverty".
Which was the phrase that followed "anti-US governments" and makes the sentence a bit harder to parse in certain ways.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 01:19 AM
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28. Yes, that poster needs to "elaborate".
Imagine suggesting the United States might promote a proxy war in South America!

Scandalous!
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 01:27 PM
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33. They would never do that!

Oh wait, they already have in Central America.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 04:27 PM
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3. Buy Venezuelan War Bonds!
Note the mention of use of Columbian tax funds. Meant to prevent any speculation that the U.S. is funding construction of the military base. Well, could it be that those Columbian tax funds are freed up because U.S. taxes are being used to take care of other expenses.

When U.S. drones start crossing the border into Venezuela, so do my political contributions to the re-elect Hugo Chavez campaign.
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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:47 PM
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12. Interesting.
When conservatives funnel money to Latin American candidates, it's usually condemned as outside interference in elections. Does the same hold true when Lefties do it?
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 04:53 PM
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4. My, it is quite a mystery why they would pick that location, isn't it?
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:05 PM
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5. It's a shame Chavez can't liberate Columbia from the US
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 07:16 PM
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17. Why?
He can't run his own country much less anyone elses.
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Braulio Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:47 PM
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40. Chavez liberate Colombia?
That's pretty funny. It would be like Stalin liberating Eastern Europe after WW II.
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:41 PM
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6. Given Chavez's recent rhetoric, who can blame them?
Chavez has been making veiled threats against Colombia and procuring weapons at an increasing pace.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/5901163/Hugo-Chavez-Colombia-is-Israel-of-Latin-America.html

"Mr Chavez, whose army has 80 main battle tanks, said he had already notified Russia of his desire to acquire more. Russia has provided oil-rich Venezuela with 100,000 Kalashnikov rifles, 50 helicopters and 24 state-of-the-art Sukhoi fighter aircraft. Mr Chavez claimed that the US, which he describes as the "evil empire", has plans to invade Venezuela and could now use Colombia as a launch pad."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKN28199828

"Venezuela will withdraw its ambassador from Colombia and freeze relations with its Andean neighbor, President Hugo Chavez said on Tuesday, following days of accusations over troop buildups and alleged arms supplies.

"I've ordered to withdraw our ambassador from Bogota, to withdraw our diplomatic personnel," the Venezuelan leader said in a televised Cabinet meeting."

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-08/11/content_11862285.htm

"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez accused the Colombian government of acting against the Union of South American Nations (Unasur) by intending to sign a military agreement with the U.S.

Chavez told Colombian President Alvaro Uribe "to get off the train if you want" while objecting to the U.S. government's planned use of Colombian military bases.

"Some people do not want to walk. The Colombian government, for example, does not want unity. It is acting against the unity," said Chavez at the third Unasur summit held in Quito, capital of Ecuador."

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/chavez-orders-troops-to-border-20091106-i25s.html

"Venezuela is sending 15,000 soldiers to the border with Colombia, saying the military build-up is needed to increase security, combat drug trafficking and root out paramilitary groups.

The deployment to the Venezuelan border states of Zulia, Tachira, Apure, Amazonas and Bolivar follows shootings involving troops and gunmen that have heightened tensions between the two countries.

The latest shooting came on Thursday when a Venezuelan politician, Iris Varela, said Venezuelan soldiers killed a suspected Colombian paramilitary fighter and detained five others near the border."


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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:44 PM
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7. Considering the position the U.S. and Columbia has put him in, who can blame him?

n/t
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:51 PM
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8. Colombia has threatened to invade Venezuela?
Acquiring tanks and machine guns won't protect him against a coup, and Colombia is not going to invade Venezuela, so it seems to be a fruitless endeavor on Chavez's part.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:14 PM
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10. Venezuela has threatened to invade Colombia? n/t
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 07:07 PM
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16. Yes, Colombia's Defense Minister did.
A very powerful man in Colombia, whom I think of as Colombia's Donald Rumsfeld--Manuel Santos--said that he would pursue the FARC across Venezuela's border without permission, as the US/Colombia had done to Ecuador in March 2008. Colombia's president, Alvaro Uribe, faced with the outrage of the entirety of Latin America, after the US/Colombia bombing/raid on Ecuador, apologized for that violation of international law and promised that Colombia would never do it again. His Defense Minister Santos then publicly contradicted him. Santos resigned recently and is running for president against the (maybe) termed out Uribe.
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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 08:38 PM
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23. Right, but pursuing guerillas who are camped out across the border from you
is a different story from an all out invasion, aimed at overthrowing a govt. and occupying a nation, wouldn't you say?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 08:25 AM
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29. Ever hear of the "Gulf of Tonkin"? nt
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 01:30 PM
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34. Columbia already has

Columbia's military has crossed into Venezuela chasing after FARC.

And now Columbia is planning military bases on the border.


What I don't understand is why some people don't believe a country has the right to protect their borders and against hostile intrusions.
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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:48 PM
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13. What position, if I may ask?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:52 PM
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15. Venezuela spends ten times less on its military than Brazil. It has one of the lowest military
Edited on Sat Dec-19-09 06:58 PM by Peace Patriot
budgets in the region.

http://www.rethinkvenezuela.com/downloads/milspend.htm
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/2442
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/2568

It is a total myth that Venezuela is overspending on its military, or has any aggressive intentions.

And look at this 'amusing' chart of US military expenditures
http://oilwars.blogspot.com/2008_03_30_archive.html
http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending#WorldMilitarySpending

Who is the threat?

The US is going to have SEVEN new US military bases in Colombia, with NO LIMIT on the number of US soldiers and 'contractors' who can be deployed there, UNLIMITED diplomatic immunity for whatever US soldiers and 'contractors' do there, and US military use of all civilian airports and other facilities, for--as a USAF document stated--"full spectrum military operations in the region"; plus two new US military bases in Panama, the US military base and port facilities they just secured with a rightwing military coup in Honduras, the newly reconstituted US 4th Fleet in the Caribbean and all the other bases, ships, high tech spying facilities, CIA agents, Blackwater special ops teams, etc., they have in Latin America.

Who is the frigging THREAT?

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"Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes … known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.… No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."--James Madison
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:02 PM
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9. The C_eye_A has already tried a coup against Chavez

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144#

But the people of Venezuela fought back and the coup eventually failed. The oil of that country is ripe for theft. Chavez wants it for his people to whom it belongs, the oil corps want to steal it for themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Revolution_Will_Not_Be_Televised_%28documentary%29
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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:49 PM
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14. You sincerely think the U.S. military is going to overthrow Chavez?
Is that what you think is in the works here?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 07:51 PM
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20. I do, or I think the Pentagon has a plan to. But it will be more like South Vietnam than Iraq--
--a gradual buildup of US forces in Colombia, using the Colombia government and military as a front, exactly as the Pentagon used South Vietnam's government and military (also paid for by the USA, as Colombia's is); not an outright bombing and invasion, as with Iraq (which had no air force by the time the US invaded, and had been crippled by 12 years of sanctions), but more likely, 1) collusion with local fascist vigilantes in Venezuela's northern oil region (adjacent to Colombia and to the Caribbean); when the time is ripe, these Venezuelan "patriots" declare their "independence" from the national government and request US "support," and, 2) thus the US is invited into part of Venezuela--the most important part, the oil region--acts in support of the fascist secessionist regime, and the Colombian military backed up by US troops, the US air force (out of Colombia, Panama and Honduras), the US 4th Fleet (in the Caribbean), and aided by US high tech surveillance and weaponry, starts a war with the Venezuelan military on Venezuelan territory, with Venezuelan traitors as their "legitimacy." Just like Vietnam.

Don't think the Pentagon hasn't thought all this out. They have. And they are rather quickly assembling the war assets for this second oil war. When they are finished, they will have Venezuela's northern oil region surrounded. They may also intend to net in Ecuador, which is adjacent to Colombia to the south, also has its oil rich northern region adjacent to Colombia--where, as in Venezuela, rightwing politicians openly talk of secession--and where the US/Colombia has already conducted a joint military exercise, using a temporary FARC guerrilla camp just inside Ecuador's border, where everybody was asleep, as the excuse, and blew it away with ten 500 lb US "smart bombs" in March 2008. The Pentagon may especially hate Ecuador because its leftist president threw the US military out of Ecuador this year. In any case, they have LOTS OF OIL, and, also like Venezuela, a government that believes in using the oil revenues to benefit the poor.

The US under the Bush Junta rehearsed the secessionist strategy in Bolivia in late 2008, funding/instigating a white separatist insurrection in the gas/oil rich eastern provinces. Evo Morales acted quickly to throw the US ambassador and the DEA out of Bolivia, and all of South America rallied to his defense and were able to squelch the uprising without much bloodshed. (The white separatists killed 30 unarmed peasant farmers and beat up a lot of indians.) The Bushwhack Financial 9/11 was occurring simultaneously and also Paraguay, adjacent to Bolivia and possible route of US support troops to the white separatists, just months before had elected a leftist president who opposes US troops in Paraguay.

Donald Rumsfeld alluded to this secessionist strategy in an op-ed in the Washington Post on 12/1/07. He urged "swift action" by the US in support of "friends and allies" in Latin America. I think this is exactly what he was talking about--"swift" US military support for local fascist insurrections. And Rafael Correa, president of Ecuador, publicly stated that there is a coordinated rightwing strategy of secession in three countries--Ecuador, Bolivia, Venezuela.

I am neither dreaming, nor fantasizing, nor am I speculating all that much. The strategy is there. The war assets are being put in place. All they will need is a "Gulf of Tonkin"-type incident to trigger an escalation of US forces and we're in another war. I expect that they are going to put US soldiers on the Colombia/Venezuela border to make the manufacture of such an incident easier. It could also occur in the Caribbean off Venezuela's oil coast.

What else would the US need SEVEN new US military bases in Colombia FOR? The US "war on drugs"? Yeah, right.
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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 08:55 PM
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24. Some agreement, some disagreement.
I definitely agree that the issue is bigger than the War on Drugs, though frankly, it seems to me to have more to do with the ability of the U.S. to project its power throughout South America in theory and not necessarily in practice. It's smart strategic planning to be able to easily reach each part of your backyard should a potential future need arise (and for as much as many people hate it, Latin America is our backyard). Why Colombia is important is because our ties in many other nations are beyind severed (our loss of our base at the port of Manta, an increasing number of nations refusing to send troops to Fort Benning, etc.) U.S. policies is geared towards the long-term and any future potential problems that might arise, and not geared towards Morales or anyone else at the moment.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:08 AM
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30. That's what they said about Vietnam. "Just a few military advisers."
"U.S. policies is geared towards the long-term and any future potential problems that might arise...".

What I see is the US creating the problems that will justify intervention on Exxon Mobil's behalf. Not planning for some vague problems "that might arise"--as if the US didn't instigate them. This is what our $6 BILLION to the Colombian military is being used for--to prime the conditions for war, and to employ the Colombian military and government as a front for US war, as in South Vietnam.

For instance, the Colombian military and its closely tied rightwing paramilitary death squads have been "cleansing" the areas adjacent to Venezuela of peasant farmers and the indigenous, sending tens of the thousands of refugees over the border into Venezuela. This creates huge problems for Venezuela. Some human rights groups put the estimated number of displaced people in Colombia at 2 to 3 million. It is the second largest crisis of displaced people in the world, next to Sudan. This also creates a chaotic border, where incidents are easily manufactured.

The same thing is occurring on Ecuador's border with Colombia to the south--a huge influx of poor refugees into Ecuador, mostly fleeing the Colombian military and associated death squads. The borders are deliberately created chaos regions, for the manufacture of incidents with the two leftist governments that flank Colombia (and that have lots and lots of oil), Venezuela and Ecuador.

In March 2008, the US/Colombia bombed one of these Ecuador border areas (using ten 500 lb US "smart bombs") killing the FARC guerilla commander Raul Reyes and everyone who was in his camp (25 sleeping people) in order to HALT the release of more FARC hostages in Reyes' effort to get a peace negotiation started between the FARC and the Colombian government. This is very significant. This was NOT a "hot pursuit" situation. It was a gratuitous slaughter. By all accounts, Reyes was about to release Ingrid Betancourt and sue for peace in Colombia's 40+ year civil war. And he had set up a temporary camp just inside Ecuador's border to do this, because the Colombian military had shot rockets at FARC hostages that Chavez had gotten released a few months before, in Dec '07. Chavez was negotiating with the FARC at the request of Colombia's president, but the military did not agree with this policy and tried to sabotage it by shooting at the hostages. Thus the hostage release effort was moved to Ecuador.

The US instigated this incident with Ecuador. Colombia would not have done it without US permission, and could not have done it without US high tech surveillance equipment, the US "smart bombs" and a US plane to drop them on Ecuador. And it was likely orchestrated out of the "war room" in the US embassy in Bogota in coordination with the US military spy base in northern Ecuador (which the president of Ecuador has since evicted from his country).

This was on Bush's watch and was most likely a Rumsfeld-designed plan. Though Rumsfeld had resigned a year before, he was quite interested in the hostage release events that started with the Chavez negotiated release of two hostages on the same weekend that Rumsfeld published an op-ed in the WaPo entitled "The Smart Way to Defeat Tyrants Like Chavez"--12/1/07--in which he stated that Chavez's help on hostage releases "is not welcome in Colombia," though it had been days before. One phone call to Colombia's president, apparently, and he rescinded his request to Chavez, a few days before the first hostages were released. But the first two hostages were already on route to their freedom. The Colombian military open fired on them, driving them back into the jungle--an incident that was never reported in our press. President Sarkozy of France and many other leaders, human rights groups and the hostages' families begged Chavez to continue, despite Uribe's and the Colombian military's treachery. Chavez got six hostages released, but the Colombia/Venezuela border became so "hot" with the Colombian military that Chavez had to stop, and the effort to get hostages released, as a preliminary to a peace settlement, had to shift to the Ecuador border.

The US/Colombia bombing/raid on Ecuador's soil almost started a war between the US/Colombia and Ecuador/Venezuela, then and there--which may have been the US/Colombia's intent. Only the concerted effort of all of South America's leaders, with Chavez in the lead, prevented this US-instigated war. (Lula da Silva, president of Brazil, called Chavez "the great peacemaker" for his role in the aftermath of this attack.)

The US/Colombia had risked bombing and killing Ingrid Betancourt and other hostages, in order to kill Reyes and stop all talk of peace. Swiss, Spanish and French envoys were in Ecuador that day, on their way to Reyes' camp, to receive Betancourt, when the bombing occurred. Someone in Colombia warned them off. They were in contact with authorities in Colombia, who knew what they were in Ecuador for.

This picture of treachery does not end here. What happened next is classic Rumsfeld. The Colombian government claimed to have seized Raul Reyes' laptop (later, laptopS) from the bombed out camp and began making wild accusations against the presidents of Venezuela and Ecuador, Chavez and Correa, for instance, that they were helping the FARC obtain a "dirty bomb," and began leaking bits and pieces of "evidence" from these alleged FARC laptopS over the next few months.

This incident is an illustration of the ways that the US/Colombia can use the chaotic border situation to start a war, and also their MO of using mass murder to escalate situations, and to create mayhem. They have mass murdered tens of thousands of peasant farmers, ag worker union leaders, human rights workers, teachers, political leftists, peace activists, journalists and others, to prop up the fascist government, decimate the political opposition and to "cleanse" areas where they want to prepare for their regional war.

On the Guajira peninsula--an extremely provocative location for a Colombian military base (took at a map!)--the Colombian military's death squads murdered 30 Wayuu tribe members, 'disappeared' at least 60, and at least 250 fled across the border to Venezuela, in 2004. The murders and displacements are on-going.

The Guajira peninsula is a highly strategic location for launching an attack on Venezuela's main oil region, and its oil port facilities, adjacent to Colombia and the Caribbean. It arcs out into the Caribbean and controls the entrance to Venezuela's harbors. The US will have use of this and other Colombian military bases, and--according to the secretly negotiated US/Colombia agreement--there will be NO LIMIT on the number of US troops and 'contractors' who can be deployed to Colombia, NO LIMIT on their "diplomatic immunity," and NO LIMIT on US military use of civilian airports and other facilities in Colombia.

This is not vague planning for some future need. This is South Vietnam.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 09:50 PM
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27. Did it in Honduras. n/t
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 01:31 PM
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35. And Haiti n/t
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 01:26 PM
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32. They tried once

Or was it just a coincidence that the coup leaders met with the U.S. military and other anti-Chavez American business leaders in the days leading up to the attempt and that a U.S. military plane was waiting at the airport to take Chavez out of the country the day of the coup?
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 07:19 PM
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18. American instigation - just like the missile shield in Poland to intimate Russia. War is great
Edited on Sat Dec-19-09 07:29 PM by GreenTea
for profits, selling weapons, machinery, air craft etc. and stealing resources, oppressing cheap labor and controlling valuable land.

American business and corporations, moderate Dems, the military, and republican despise progressive governments and socialism for the poor & workers....the rich fucks love socialism for their corporations and the wealth though.
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Synicus Maximus Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 08:36 PM
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22. There is a lot of difference between the US building bases on
someone Else's territory like Poland and a country like Colombia building a base on its own territory.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 01:33 PM
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36. What about the seven bases the U.S. is building in Columbia?

And who do you think is going to supply the money, technical know-how and infrastructure for the base Columbia is building?

We will.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 07:29 PM
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19. Aw gosh, they are going to "have a care facility for indigenous Wayuu people who live in the area".
:puke:
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Synicus Maximus Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 08:33 PM
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21. If Colombia wants to build a military base on their territory what is the
problem?
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 09:07 PM
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26. could be seen as a threat to Venezeula
that's the problem. Do you know about the six new bases in Colombia?
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Braulio Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:36 PM
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38. Six new bases in Colombia
I haven't heard about six new bases in Colombia. However, if the Colombians want to build six new bases, what's the problem?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:40 AM
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31. The problem is that the highly corrupt, US-taxpayer supported Colombian government
has "invited" the US military to use SEVEN of its military bases with NO LIMIT on the number of US soldiers and 'contractors' who can be deployed there, unlimited diplomatic immunity for whatever US soldiers and 'contractors' do there, and US military use of ALL civilian airports and other facilities in Colombia. This. is. a. U.S. base. Don't be fooled.

The US lards $6 BILLION in military aid on Colombia. Did you notice that this lying, scumbag Colombian government said that this military base will be funded by Colombian taxes. That is utter bullshit. Further, the location of this particular base could not be more provocative. Look at a map! It's a peninsula that sticks out into the Caribbean and controls the entrance to Venezuela's main oil region and its Caribbean oil facilities.

The only thing more provocative would be their mining Venezuela's harbors. And don't delude yourself that the Pentagon hasn't thought that one through. They lust after Venezuela's oil. They need it for their great fuel-sucking war machine. And their buds at Exxon Mobile don't want to see the profits wasted on school books and feeding the poor!

Please get informed! This is part of a war plan that you and me are already paying for, and will pay for even more dearly in the future, with lives and money. This exactly how the Vietnam War started, with the CIA-installed, US-funded South Vietnamese government "inviting" the US military into their country, to fight their war for them, and our war profiteers being only too willing to do so. Only this time, OIL is the main motivator; killing commies is a secondary perk.

Do you know what one of the Honduran coup generals said? He said that, by their coup, they were "preventing communism from Venezuela reaching the United States." (--quoted in a report by the Zelaya government-in-exile). The Colombian military and its fascist government have the same kind of motivation. They are the puppets of the super-rich here.

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Braulio Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:45 PM
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39. Correcting your mis-statements
1. There is a limit to the number of US personnel using Colombian bases.
2. Whether the base is funded by the Colombian government or not is irrelevant, evidently the aid they get from the US allows them to divert the funds to build the base.
3. The US nor Colombia don't need a base on the Guajira to stop the flow of oil from Venezuela.
4. Given Chavez' anti US and anti Colombia statements, including calling for war, the Colombians are wise to prepare for war, and improve their defenses.
5. The Colombian government is led by a democratically elected leader, Mr Uribe, who happens to be extremely popular - and his popularity is largely derived by the way he has handled the FARC and is seen as a counter to Chavez, who is despised by Colombians in general.
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ChangoLoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:48 PM
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41. Check the popularity of the Colombian bolivarian party... ;)
Edited on Tue Dec-22-09 12:50 PM by ChangoLoa
Normal when you consider Chavez is the most unpopular president for Latin americans
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Braulio Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 07:24 AM
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42. Check the numbers for the opposition to Chavez in Venezuela
The polls show the majority of Venezuelans would rather vote for somebody else than for Chavez. He's desperately changing the political landscape by changing election rules, and using state power to intimidate the opposition.

But the key, as I've told you, is the economy, and the Venezuelan economy is in trouble. Even worse for the communists, it'll be in worse shape next year - oil prices aren't recovering enough, and PDVSA production is going down even more - they're hopeless and ill managed, full of incompetents and political hacks who don't know how to run a sustainable business even when they're sitting on huge oil and gas reserves.

In a country where democracy works, Chavez and his commies would be soundly defeated. But given his ability to cook the polls and intimidate the voters, time will tell if he's headed towards the dustbin of history, or will get his chance to turn Venezuela into Latin America's North Korea. And you, my friend, will be still singing the glories of the communist revolution, another Hare Krishna dressed in red.
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