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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:09 AM
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Crisis on Colombia's border began simply: with a payoff
March 7, 2008, 12:04AM
Raid that killed rebel chief set up by an informant
By JOHN OTIS
Houston Chronicle South America Bureau

... "Money moves things," Jose Obdulio Gaviria, the adviser, said in an interview in his office at the national palace in Bogota. "People are showing up to sell information. They ask: 'How much is this guy worth?' "

The operation, he said, showed that the government's program to pay guerrilla informants and demobilized rebels for information is paying big dividends. The government has a kitty of $100 million to pay off guerrillas who desert, inform on ex-comrades or help spring rebel-held hostages ...

The U.S. government had offered a $5 million reward for information leading to the capture or killing of Reyes. The Colombian government offered a reward of $950,000 ...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5600026.html
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:26 PM
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1. Wonder what the final version's going to be! Already Uribe has told two different stories
about how and when he contacted Rafael Correa.

This is an interesting story. Hope we'll get the chance to see more about it. Looks as if they don't all have the same talking points down, yet.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:57 PM
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2. The real story may be what Punto Final argued a few days back: the troll under the bridge
plans Colombia as a regional military center

After the disclosure of the foreign multimillion dollar bounty on Reyes and the evidence hi-tech weaponry was deployed, of course, there remains no doubt that pressure for the attack originated outside Colombia

But what might be most informative, for those of us who rely on US media for info, are the rare driblets through the filter: I hadn't realized, for example, just how strongly Nicaraguans feel the Colombian navy is out-of-control, for example, or just how angry they are about the Nicaraguan-Colombian maritime dispute now before the international court. And the condemnations of Colombia by (say) Peru or Mexico also sheds important light on regional view
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:34 PM
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3. Good points. I wish I had them in focus when I saw some troll's mockery on a LBN thread
of DU'ers who believe Bush designed this operation.

If I see that thread again, I'm going to come here and get your post and quote it. (These guys are so dishonest they refuse to allow the truth to stand when everyone knows what it is, and they tell lies to "counter" the truth. Possibly, in some cases, they're simply too damned stupid to find the facts for themselves, or too lazy to read it when someone else does the footwork and puts it right in front of them.)

Only recently I've heard references to the Nicaragua/Colombia dispute. That would explain why Daniel Ortega felt strongly and spoke out on this latest situation, and also why he spoke with feeling in this YouTube which Guy Whitey Corngood posted in a link in LBN:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7snDRI6XtsM





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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:55 PM
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4. Ecuador president not ready just yet to re-establish diplomatic ties with Colombia
QUITO, Ecuador: Ecuador is not yet ready to re-establish diplomatic relations with Colombia despite a recent agreement to end a diplomatic crisis triggered by a Colombian raid inside Ecuador, President Rafael Correa said Saturday.

The restoration of diplomatic relations "will take a little time," Correa said in his weekly radio address.

Ecuador cut off diplomatic ties with neighboring Colombia last week in response to a March 1 military strike by Colombia on a camp of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, inside Ecuador that killed a top rebel leader and more than 20 others. Venezuela withdrew its diplomats from Colombia, but did not break relations.

"We will coordinate with Venezuela in setting up a timeline for re-establishing our ambassadors in Bogota," Correa said.

He explained that it will be "difficult to recover trust" in Colombian President Alvaro Uribe's government, but that "we will converse and move forward."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/03/08/america/LA-GEN-Ecuador-Colombia.php


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Correa may want to wait for the OAS investigation
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:12 PM
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5. AlphaCentauri, you may enjoy this news video of that Latin American leaders' meeting in D.Republic
on Friday. Guy Whitey Corngood posted it in LBN, with a note to study the body language of Rafael Correa. You will see there is TOTAL resistance, and that's so understandable. It's very good that Correa didn't give in, actually.

Argentina's President Christina Fernandez de Kirchner appears in a blue dress near the end of Uribe's lap around the room, trying to embrace all the presidents, and when Uribe attempts to embrace her, you see she couldn't loathe him more, although she is conventiotnally courteous.

This is a gem of a video. I really wish I had some idea what the heck they were saying! The attitudes, however, come across loud and clear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7snDRI6XtsM
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:34 AM
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6. THANK YOU, JUDI LYNN! I could watch Rafael Correa for hours in any language!
I watched a bunch of the vids. They all speak much too fast for me to understand more than every tenth word. But you are right, there was a lot going on with faces and body language, and I perceived what you did in Cristina Fernandez and Rafael Correa. Boy, was Correa mad! He had been betrayed. I can't help it, the words "Sir Lancelot" always come to mind when I see Correa. (God, what a hunk!) But I guess it would need to be Sir Percival to be consistent with the myth (the pure of heart). I would not want to be the target of Rafael Correa's withering, righteous, clear-eyed anger. Uribe literally squirms in his chair, with his sneaky evasive little eyes, and petulant mouth, throughout Correa's speech. And the LOOK Correa gives him-- when Uribe bounces around the room shaking hands, in his pandering way, and reaches Correa--could kill ten dragons. What. A. Look!!!

The only time I have seen something similar was a Senator Ted Kennedy LOOK--someone called it the Irish Evil Eye--at Donald Rumsfeld at the end of a U.S. Senate hearing (shortly before Rumsfeld resigned). Teddy's contempt, outrage and 'Get thee gone, Satan' attitude toward Rumsfeld were palpable. Same look on Correa's face, but of course younger and more physically menacing. Wow!

Cristina Fernandez was equally angry. For a moment, I thought she might slap the bastard, when Uribe approached her. Instead, she gave him one of the coldest looks I've ever seen one leader give another. Correa's reaction was hot. Fernandez's reaction was complete and utter contempt.

Chavez's reaction to Uribe was like neither of these. Chavez seems to be still working on Uribe, to bring him into "the brotherhood"--a hopeless cause, I'm afraid. He might as well be trying to get Mordred to join the Round Table. But Chavez seems to be ever optimistic and easily jovial. Uribe's pals were planning to assassinate Chavez--and still Chavez smiles at him and tries to jolly him up.

I use the term "the brotherhood" to include Cristina Fernandez. I mean it to convey the sense of a genuine knighthood, almost as if they had sworn a blood pact to CHANGE South America for the better, forevermore. It is very...real and visible, in photos and vids, and of course in policies and actions. This is a very courageous and high-minded group of people, leading the Andes democracies. And there is also strong family/friendship feeling among them--Chavez, Correa, Morales and the Kirchners. And to some extent Lula da Silva.

Compared to them, Uribe comes across as devious, envious and self-consumed. You could almost see his secret thrill at having Bush's Big Power with which to rip Raul Reyes' body to the pieces, and to try to smash up this conspiracy of peace. You can see this in Bush, too. He thrills at violence. It makes him feel whole. I don't see any potential redemption in Uribe (like Chavez keeps trying to appeal to). I can see Uribe coldly enjoying the power of torturing Chavez and putting him to death. And I hope that Chavez does not get sucked in, in some other way, as I think Uribe sucked him into the first hostage negotiation. Chavez (and FARC) got the hostages out, despite Uribe's treachery, but it was touch and go, and it could have been an utter disaster for Chavez.

I was thinking, for a while, that Uribe agreed to the hostage negotiation out of remorse at the assassination plot--let CHAVEZ talk him into trying to negotiate for the hostages--then got his strings pulled by Rumsfeld & co. But, having watched Uribe in these vids, I think he was working with the Bushites to set a trap. The report of the first two released hostages, that they were under heavy fire from the Colombian military DURING their release, puts a new coloration on those events. And Uribe strutting around the room, at the Rio conference, victorious in his "mission accomplished" bloodshed is nauseating.

The condemnation of the entire Latin American leadership means nothing to him. He is Bush's boy. He has their guarantee of wealth and power. They are his masters. And he thinks he has it over everyone else because of that. Thus, Sir Lancelot wants to run him through with the sword of righteousness, and be done with it. Lady Kirchner considers him beneath contempt, and treats him as if he were not there. And Chavez keeps holding out the hope that he can free him from his evil puppetmasters. (Chavez is a sort of King Arthur--ever hopeful, and unable to believe in other peoples' treachery.) (--he ALSO pardoned the Venezuelan coup plotters, and freed the grunt soldiers in the recent rightwing plot in Venezuela, and sent them back to Colombia.)

I know it's unpardonable to be comparing these DEMOCRATS to knights and ladies of ancient times, but I can't help it. I love that myth. And I've always felt that the Round Table was a metaphor for democracy. The Kelts have always been a curious mix of the individualistic, the aristocratic and the communal--and they have much more kinship, culturally, with Latins than with the Nordic tribes. There's something there--in this myth, that informs events in South America. I'm not sure I've put my finger on it. Something about trying to maintain good government in dangerous circumstances, appealing to the best in people, and being ever hopeful that Camelot (prosperity, peace and justice for all) can be recreated.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:04 AM
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7. There was a core of strong, courageous, committed, decent people in that room.
Uribe was completely different. He was nervous, his voice almost adolescent, and emotional, almost uncontrolable, and his manner exactly as you describe. He was "shifty," and "sleazy," and completely ill at ease.

Your comparison to another noble group was completely appropriate. How different these leaders are, how contrasted to the hardened, slick, smug, sneaky people we're used to seeing in other groupings. They do share ideals, goals which WILL bring deep progress, and healing to their countries. That can't be said anywhere else currently.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:29 PM
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8. Thanks for the video Judi
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 09:29 PM by AlphaCentauri
Bachelet didn't look too comfortable hugging Uribe either. Uribe did called Correa a nostalgic of communism during the session, I think that make Correa unhappy about any of Uribes apologies.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:42 PM
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9. You're kidding! Unbelievable. That asshole. He's a nasty little demon.
I hope the people in that room are going to make a game of jerking him around until he completely cracks.

He would be NOTHING without the continuing threat created by having U.S. force to back him up in the region. Bush is his only friend, no doubt.

He must be nuts, trying to red-bait Rafael Correa. What a cheap, creepy, freakish little man.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:19 AM
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11. here is that specific moment, where everybody booo after Uribes words
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 12:23 AM by AlphaCentauri
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7_iWBwaYXo

Correa later on responded saying "this hands are clean with out blood"
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:43 PM
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10. Argentina to handle Ecuador's diplomatic affairs with Colombia
Argentina to handle Ecuador's diplomatic affairs with Colombia


www.chinaview.cn 2008-03-11 10:27:06

BOGOTA, March 10 (Xinhua) -- The Ecuadoran government has entrusted Argentina with handling its diplomatic affairs with Colombia after the two countries severed ties following a border crisis last week, Colombian Foreign Minister Fernando Araujo said Monday.

"Ecuador's government has entrusted the Argentine government with representing it in Colombia," the minister said.

"We received a diplomatic note today and I got in touch with the Argentine ambassador straight away to express Colombia's wish to normalize diplomatic relations (with Ecuador)," he added.

Araujo said he is awaiting a response from the Ecuadoran government through Argentine diplomats regarding a revival of relations.

More:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/11/content_7764198.htm
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