Golpista government refuses to re-institute Zelaya , negotiations fail

[rabs]

Announcement was made by Zelaya's Foreign Minister Patricia Rodas a few minutes ago in Cochabamba, Bolivia, where leaders of ALBA are meeting.

Rodas said that due to the "intransigence" of the golpistas, the negotiations had broken down and were a "complete failure." Rodas said the Zelaya side had expected this but that Zelaya had given the talks "one last chance for peace."

The golpistas wanted the Supreme Court to decide the issue, which was not acceptable to Zelaya (the court is a golpista puppet).

What will happen now no one knows. Chat rooms are rife with calls for armed resistance but that is not an option because the pueblo has no arms.

There was also an unconfirmed report that there was troop movement from La Ceiba towards the capital. There was another report of troop concentrations in a couple of sectors of the capital and that fences were being erected at some banks. Also that the golpistas would again declare curfews.

These are just part of the rumors that are sweeping the country tonight.

[Peace Patriot]

1. I'm so sorry to hear this! And I fear that only a UN peacekeeping mission can remedy this situation

and provide safety for the Honduran people, and restoration of their democracy. I wonder about that "high-level" mission that Brazil was sending to Washington, to discuss this situation.

It's too bad that the US can't take back all those weapons we paid for, for the Honduran military!

There is no way that a fair election can occur in these circumstances. And the Honduran military has said that they "will not permit" a boycott of the election. To me that says that they are prepared to use violence to enforce a rigged election. And it will be a tragedy if the international community does not act to prevent this.

[rabs]

2. Blue Helmets are sent in only where civil war has broken out

I hope the situation in Honduras does not get that far. Resistance Front announced this week that elections would not be held if Zelaya was not back in the presidency.

There is a climate of fear tonight in Tegu. Globo just reported that troops have surrounded the national Congress building, the presidential palace and other key points in the capital. Once again troop movement from La Ceiba was repeated. The main university campus near downtown Tegu. has been taken over by troops and all the students sent home.

Chats are saying that five police have been killed in San Pedro Sula but cannot find confirmation so far. Last week a policeman was found with 45 entry and exit bullet wounds near SPS.

Btw, Radio Globo today was honored as the best radio station in Iberoamerica by the Spanish Onda Radio and TV organization. It is considered a prestigious award in the Spanish-speaking media world. The award cited Globo's heroic efforts to inform the pueblo despite all the difficulties and threats it has suffered.

[Peace Patriot]

5. I see what the Pentagon/Bushwhack plan is--to CREATE a civil war, as in Colombia,

by such onerous oppression and devilish treachery that people take up arms because they have no hope. That would suit the war planners and war profiteers just fine. That is their aim. Honduras would become a viper's nest of rightwing death squads and fascist corruption, with a desperate, repressed population, with no hope of change, most of whom will go quiet and simply endure, but some of whom will fight. This Junta seems aimed at creating another Colombia--which will also be used to justify billions more US tax dollars in military aid, as in Colombia, and Honduras will become a launching pad for fascist plots and US aggression in Central America, as Colombia is in South America.

But I don't see what the Zelaya/Lulu/OAS plan is--nor that there is anything other than the Pentagon/Bushwhack plan "on the table" in the US government. I hope that is not the case--and that Obama/Clinton are working on strong and pro-active measures to restore democracy in Honduras. But I can see nothing that will alter the situation for the better except disarming of the Honduran military and removal of the Junta by force. Oscar Arias has said that, if they can't hold a fair election in Honduras--and it is obvious that they cannot--then the "only solution" left is to hold a Constituent Assembly, to rewrite the Honduran Constitution, with all segments of society participating. He said that the Honduran Constitution is "the worst in the world." But how can that be brought about? The Junta won't even restore Zelaya for the few months left in his term, and intend to conduct an "election" in conditions of martial law and repression of all civil rights. It is absurd and intolerable.

[Bacchus39]

3. you want the international community to stop an election????

what happens if there is no election PP? Mitcheletti stays in power??? time to move past Crazy Mel and Mitcheletti.

[Bacchus39]

4. what's wrong with the Supreme Court deciding??

they approved the arrest warrant. they are the only ones who can vacate that order I imagine.

[Peace Patriot]

8. "Fashion is an industry but it is also part of the culture of the people."

"I don't know if you people have ever run a coup, but it's not all shooting the poor people this and torching the media that--there's fun to be had too! Seriously, what's the point of forcibly taking control of your country's institutions if you can't use it to bend it to your own retarded vision?

"To that end, hilarious Honduran dipshit 'Mirna Castro' has taken over the country's Cultural Ministry, and she's has (been) quickly putting an end to outmoded hippie ideas like literature or um, whatstheword, 'art,' or whatever. No, it's fashion week! In the middle of a coup! With tax dollars. Actual quote:

"'Fashion is an industry but it is also part of the culture of the people.
Remember it. Live it.'"

http://www.borev.net/2009/10/paris_milan_tegucigalpa.html#comments
http://www.borev.net/

(Underlining = links.)

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Let them eat at fashion!

[Bacchus39]

9. who cares what the former Venezuelan Information Office propaganda minister in the US says?

we know who signs his checks.

[Peace Patriot]

10. Oh, Bacchus39, you're no fun at all!

I'll bet you don't have a clue what the latest fashion is in Honduras!

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(Hint: big cowboy hats.)

[Bacchus39]

12. not too bad PP.....but you are wrong unfortunately.

this is definitely the latest fashion:

http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=hon/photo/photolist.html#1118729

[rabs]

16. Here's an even better fashion photo

"To Señor President José Manuel Zelaya from your friend, Amado Guevara".

Guevara, captain of the Honduran National team, sent a team jersey to Mel Zalaya in a clear snub to goriletti.

Guevara left the jersey to his mother to deliver it at the Brazilian Embassy. Military there refused her entry, so the mother gave the shirt to Pichu, the president's daughter. Pichu then gave the jersey to the negotiating team at the Hotel Clarion and the shirt was delivered to Zelaya when the negotiators returned to the embassy this afternoon.

Pichu said many players were with the resistance, but they could not express themselves as Guevara did.

On Thursday Guevara and other players refused to join in a celebratory party goriletti surprised them with. Poor goliletti, he can't win a single round of anything. :rofl:

(Note the tinfoil on the window behind Zelaya. That is to ward off electronic interference from the military outside, which is blocking and intercepting cell phone calls. Patricia Rodas told the ALBA presidents in Cochabamba today that Zelaya only has 45 seconds to speak on a cell phone before it is blocked.)

[EFerrari]

6. I didn't think those motherf#ckers were going to go away.

They've lost, though. They just don't know it yet. Every repressive measure they take now onl stiffens the people's spine more.

[Bacchus39]

7. Zelaya wants the Congress to decide, Mitcheletti the Supreme Court

that's what Globo is saying.

[Judi Lynn]

11. Bad, rotten news. Everyone knows them to be maggots. Hope for a miracle

for the sake of the people, somehow.

Thanks for the news. The people need to keep the faith, somehow.

[Peace Patriot]

13. "Aide: Ousted Honduran leader giving talks 2 days"--AP

56 minutes ago

TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras — A spokesman says ousted President Manuel Zelaya will give deadlocked negotiations two more days to resolve the Honduran political crisis.
Ricardo Martinez says "we are willing to continue the dialogue."

He spoke at a news conference shortly after Zelaya's foreign minister, Patricia Rodas, had called the negotiations collapsed. Rodas had told Latin American presidents meeting Friday in Bolivia that talks had broken down over the coup-imposed government's refusal to accept Zelaya's return to power.

However, Martinez later said Zelaya would give negotiators two days to break the impasse.

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I'll check to see if this has been posted in LBN.

[Peace Patriot]

14. I posted the above in LBN. It wasn't posted yet.

What I'm thinking is that that reported "high level" Brazilian mission to Washington, on the Honduran crisis--reported late yesterday--has resulted in some kind of agreement or plan, and that Lulu talked to Zelaya.

[rabs]

15. Situation was and remains murky tonight

First Rodas said the talks had broken down. Then came the report of the offer by Zelaya to let the talks resume on Monday. But there has been no answer that I have seen from the gorilettis that they will return to the table. If the gorilettis refuse, then more points for Zelaya.

Searched for something on the Brazilian mission to Washington but no luck so far. What has happened is that both Brazil and the US are both mired in the streets of Tegucigalpa.

Brazil because it has Zelaya as a "guest" in the embassy, and Obama/Hillary because of its ham-handed handling of the whole situation, plus the ideological battle with the repubs (DeMint, Ros-Lehtinen, Negroponte and company) over Latin America policy.

In fact, the U.S. does not even have an ambassador in Brasilia -- the nomination of Shannon has been held up for months by the repubs.

Could be the mission is to discuss how both sides can make a graceful exit from the messy operetta in Tegucigalpa, in which both goriletti and Zelaya have put them.

[EFerrari]

17. Zelaya can only gain by looking reasonable and patient

in contrast to His Bombast, the pinochetti.

[Peace Patriot]

18. The latest news articles indicate the Junta is still in the talks.

I posted them here in LBN
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4107523

Someone combined my first LBN post--the latest news that the talks are continuing--with this one (above) that the talks have failed. Thus anyone glancing at LBN wouldn't know that the talks are continuing. The CNN and AFP stories reveal that the Junta is considering the Zelaya proposal that the matter of his presidency being restored go to Congress (not the Supreme Court). That is the latest sticking point.

I yield to your much more knowledgeable opinion about Brazil, but I find it hard to believe that Brazil (Lulu) hosting Zelaya in the embassy was not a fully conscious decision by Brazil (Lulu)--and not something that Zelaya has dragged Brazil into. Other indicators have pointed to a strong Brazil (Lulu) commitment to supporting under-siege leftist leaders--including in Venezuela, Bolivia and Paraguay. The "messiness" is not Zelaya's fault, nor Brazil's. My feeling is that Brazil wants this solved the right way--to the benefit of democracy and the Honduran people--quite deliberately put itself in the middle of it, and is trying to drag our compromised leaders in the right direction. I would appreciate any other thoughts/analysis you have about this. I do tend to want heroes and happy endings to rescue stories. Maybe that's coloring my view of Brazil (Lulu) too much.

[Peace Patriot]

19. I read last night that Zelaya gets only 45 seconds on phone calls before the Junta cuts his

phone transmission. So imagine Zelaya trying to convey his position to reporters, or explain complexities to his ALBA rep in Bolivia...

MEL: Hello, Patricia, how was your flight, and how's Evo...?

PATRICIA: Flight, fine. Evo says hello. ...buzz, buzz...

MEL: Hello? Can't hear you...talks...disrespectful...but...

PATRICIA: What was that? ... buzz, buzz...click.

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This may explain why there are contradictory reports--for instance, one article says Zelaya called the idea of Congress deciding on his presidency "disrespectful," and other articles asserted that it is HIS position that Congress should decide (as opposed to the Supreme Court deciding). Plus, corpo/fascist reporters deliberately getting things wrong, plus the golpistas having all the time in the world to talk to each other and to reporters (and to John Negroponte and James Baker).

As a result, I don't know what Zelaya's negotiating position IS, do you? Did he agree to congress deciding on his presidency? Things are murky, for sure. But then the President of the country is sleeping on an air mattress every night, and working amidst the mayhem of cramped quarters--with a hundred people or so in an embassy that is short on supplies and food (as EFerrari pointed out, even the national soccer team captain's gift of a team t-shirt had to be smuggled in to Zelaya)--and having 45 second phone conversations with key advisers and news reporters.

This will all be the stuff of legend some day. But, for now, it is just infuriating that the fate of Honduran democracy has been so obscured by the forces of evil.

[Judi Lynn]

20. Low class scum, these golpistas. Putrid. Filthy behavior, no act too low for them.

They are showing the world not one of them is fit for any responsible position.

What a shame.