Opposition to denounce Venezuelan government for denying justice

[ChangoLoa]

Politics
Representatives of the Committee on Human Rights and Justice, opposition Unified Panel, will file a complaint with the United Nations (UN) about the "denial and obstruction of justice" by Venezuelan authorities and representatives of the Judiciary.

Members of the committee said that in the last 10 years, sectors related to the government, who are responsible for administering law in the Venezuelan judicial system, have not given an appropriate answer to some cases that have been described, among others, as political persecution.

Rodrigo Pérez Bravo, legal adviser of the opposition Unified Panel, said that "in the last decade, 350 union leaders have been charged, 167 students have been judicially prosecuted, and there is a large number of political prisoners waiting for final judgment."

Pérez Bravo considers that these statistics are an indication that "the Venezuelan government obstructs justice and that the Venezuelan judicial system only responds to cases bearing an electoral and political interest."

The lawyer added that the document to be submitted to the UN is a compilation of 10 years of judicial abuses. "We will appear before the Human Rights Commission of the UN, in exercise of a constitutional right, to make public the system of barriers and procedural delays in relevant cases of national and political interest."

Translated by Gerardo Cárdenas

Javier Moreno Sucre
EL UNIVERSAL


http://english.eluniversal.com/2009/10/08/en_pol_esp_opposition-to-denoun_08A2864171.shtml

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[Bacchus39]

2. thanks, and I do note that you added no commentary to the story

simply posted the story. some here are unable to post an article or report without adding their own bias.

[ChangoLoa]

3. Someone's ideology is shouting

"Hey, please don't treat me like that, I am the opposite of that!"
It sounds like Rosa Luxemburg spirit is trapped in a chuck norris head.

[EFerrari]

5. Another irony meter busted.

This is not a news article. This is basically an opposition press release. Why don't you just post the original?

[ChangoLoa]

7. Why is it an opposition press release?

Is there any opinion from the author? SHOW IT.

I was only looking for english versions since everyone here can read english. But if you want the original in spanish:

Denunciarán al Estado venezolano por denegar justicia

Mesa de la Unidad entregará pliego de violaciones judiciales ante la ONU

Representantes de la Comisión de Derechos Humanos y Justicia de la Mesa de la Unidad, denunciarán ante la Organi- zación de Naciones Unidas (ONU), la "denegación y obstrucción de la justicia", por parte de autoridades y representantes del sistema judicial.

Miembros de esta comisión, aseguran que en los últimos 10 años factores ligados al Gobierno nacional, quienes obstentan la responsabilidad de impartir justicia en el sistema judicial venezolano, no han dado respuesta a los casos calificados como persecución política, entre otros.

Rodrigo Pérez Bravo, representante jurídico de la mesa unitaria, dijo que en "la última década tenemos 350 sindicalistas imputados, 167 estudiantes con causas judiciales, y un gran número de presos políticos, que no conocen sentencia firme". A su juicio, estas estadísticas son una muestra "de la evidente obstrucción del sistema judicial venezolano por parte del Gobierno, que sólo responde a los casos que devengan de un interés electoral y político".

Pérez Bravo aseguró, que el pliego a entregarse a la ONU, es la recopilación de 10 años de abusos judiciales. "Iremos a la Comisión de Derechos Humanos de la ONU, en uso de un recurso constitucional, para dar a conocer el sistema de trabas y retardo procesal en casos de sumo interés nacional y político. Los representantes del TSJ, Fiscalía, Poder Moral Republicano, trabajan coordinadamente con los oficialistas para acusar a dedo, vulnerando la Carta Magna". El representante aseguró que los sucesos ocurridos durante el mes de abril de 2002, es uno de los casos más emblemáticos de la confiscación de la justicia venezolana.

Por su parte, Delsa Solórzano del partido Un Nuevo Tiempo (UNT), agregó que la Mesa de la Unidad, confía en obtener una respuesta contundente de la Comisión de Derechos Humanos de la ONU, por ser un organismo carente de vicios. "Iremos con la ONU, porque entendemos que está más descongestionado que otras comisiones del Derecho Internacional. Allí, expondremos claramente, el resumen de las violaciones que día a día ejecuta el Gobierno", dijo.

Javier Moreno Sucre
EL UNIVERSAL

[Peace Patriot]

4. More garbage from El (non-) Universal, which can always be counted on to promote

the latest rightwing stunt in Venezuela--from kidnapping the president and suspending the Constitution, the courts, the National Assembly and all civil rights, in their 2002 coup attempt, to these latest theatrics about the "political prisoners" (um, rightwing rioters and bought-and-paid-for "union" thugs) in Venezuela. Drip, drip, drip. Beat, beat, beat on the war-war-war-drum-drum-drum!

I'll take these charges seriously when Rodrigo Pérez Bravo, "legal adviser of the opposition Unified Panel," files charges at the UN against the golpistas of the 2002 coup, and cries out in his "human rights" anguish for the people of Honduras, where "political prisoners" is a REALITY.

These rightwing hypocrites have NO respect for human rights, civil rights. the rule of law or Constitutional government. They rip up Constitutions when it suits them. They are liars, powermongers, thugs and greedbags to the nth degree--just like our Bushwhacks. And the corpo/fascist press is their propaganda horn.

[ChangoLoa]

6. You don't have a clue about Venezuela

Admit it. You don't know this country at all. You just showed it with splendor.

This article is not promoting anything. It is just FACTUAL! Read again, it says "this commission did this and its lawyer said that". It never says "we agree or we don't".

The fact that you attack the newspaper that gives his space to that people to speak is very revealing. It means that you're not a liberal at all. You are an authoritarian leftist which, for me, means that you are NOT a leftist. Why shouldn't they be allowed to speak? Even if they are totally wrong, there is space for saying that too. I just put the article and gave no opinion in the 1st post.

El Universal had nothing to do with the coup, your allegation makes absolutely no sense. Ask yourself why the venezuelan government hasn't prosecuted anyone from El Universal about the events of the 11th April 2002. I think you don't even know the people who own this newspaper or their political views. It is centrist, let's say right-centrist (like your democratic party by the way).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Universal_%28Caracas%29

You're just obsessed with some other issues. Why should this lawyer speak about human rights violations in Honduras? He's dealing with this particular issue. You suggest he should file charges against every situation in Venezuela that would deserve it and even outside Venezuela, which is very absurd. You disqualify before you even try to understand. That is called propaganda.

How can you say the students in jail are right wing rioters? What supports that claim of yours? You're just repeating the exact words of Comandante, when he wants to describe Venezuela like a country simply divided between fascism and revolutionaries, which is a machiavelic lie. Wouldn't it be convenient for him to have a 100% nazi opposition he could fight against freely? Things are never black and white and you know that. I know that these students who were put in jail are from very diverse political backgrounds. Some are social(democrata)cristianos, some are socialdemocratas, some are left-radicals and some are socialists. That is the entire political 'spectrum' in Venezuela. You obviously don't know the country.

When you put 167 students and 350 union leaders in the same bag, calling them "thugs" without having studied all their cases minutiously and individually, you are acting exactly like what you call "rightwing hypocrites" who "have NO respect for human rights, civil rights, the rule of law or Constitutional government". You say this 500 people are GUILTY without even knowing who they are or what they did. You sound just like a fascist tribunal.

I suggest you try to read about our history and our socio political structures before making other comments concerning our actual situation. Just as a suggestion.

[Peace Patriot]

8. The propaganda starts with the selection of subjects and headlines. It is not just

a matter of bias within the text.

Show me one El Universal positive headline about the Chavez government's many accomplishments. ONE! They are not "universal," as they claim. They are one-sided, from a narrow rightwing point of view, representing the rich minority--headline after headline after headline, and story after story after story, of negative news about the Chavez government, unrelieved by any balance whatsoever, and when they run out of ideas, Venezuela's rightwing--the coupmongers, the people who supported suspending the Constitution, the courts, the National Assembly and all civil rights in Venezuela--trump something up, in this case prosecution of USAID-funded rightwing student rioters and striking union members who broke the law, and whom I suspect also were paid by the USAID or the CIA merely to cause trouble--not to negotiate a fair contract--in order to create 'news' stories like this, which are merely propaganda stunts. I have no sympathy with these people, and no respect for El (non-) Universal. And I hope their petition gets laughed out of the UN, where they deal with real crimes against humanity, such as those being inflicted by Latin America's worst human rights violators--the rightwing leaders of Colombia and Honduras, perpetrators of mass murder, targeted assassination of leftists, torture, rape, brutal suppression of dissent, brutal imposition of extreme poverty and displacement, big drug traffickers, and master thieves.

Where is the outcry by Venezuela's rightwing groups against the rightwing junta in Honduras, where the above rightwing Colombian crimes are now starting to be committed in Honduras? No, they love the Honduran junta. That's the kind of government they want--one that makes them rich and kills and brutalizes and silences the poor and their advocates. They want that in Venezuela. And so does El (non-) Universal!

I challenge you. Show me ONE headline/news story from this source that covers a positive development of the Chavez government--poor people being able to go to school, dramatic improvement in literacy, the poor now having health care close to home, the revenues pouring into Venezuela's government and social programs from the Chavez-re-negotiated oil contracts, the high level of voter participation, the reduction in extreme poverty, the Chavez government's truly conservative management of Venezuela's money, enabling them to save $43 billion in international cash reserves, giving Venezuela a cushion against the Bushwhack Financial 9/11, the strong regulation of banking and finance, which has also given Venezuela insulation from the Bushwhack "shock and awe" looting of financial institutions, the new efficiency and regularization of Venezuelan tax collection, Venezuela's very high levels of citizen satisfaction with the direction of their country, and high approval ratings for the Chavez government. Anything! Anything! ONE HEADLINE/STORY! ONE!

So, you see, I know this article is crap, not only because the generators of the story are full of crapola about "human rights" but also because El (non) Universal never publishes anything else. It's the rightwing viewpoint all the time.

[spanza]

9. You should go to El Universal day to day

and you'll be able to verify that what you're saying is not the reality.

We've already had some posts here from that source that show good things that our government has accomplished. I remember one that was highlighting the position we gained in human development classification and one other about the new cooperation policies with african countries.

Today's headlines:

Venezuela urges Obama to remove US military bases from Colombia

Venezuela's surplus with the US down to USD 1.89 billion

Venezuela, Guyana suggest new Good Officer for border dispute

Ombudswoman: Nobel Prize to Obama is a mockery of human rights

Broadcasters warn that freedom of expression is jeopardized

Venezuela pulls out of refinery project in Vietnam

Venezuela to allocate USD 1.2 billion to aluminum industry

Caracas Mayor: President Chávez must observe Mercosur protocols

UN Secretary-General to talk with Venezuela and Guyana about Essequibo

Ecuador's Minister of Defense satisfied with agreements with Venezuela

Pdvsa with no special conditions in the Brazilian market

Venezuela donates to Ecuador USD 20 million in wheelchairs and other equipment


You can see this is a typical big audience newspaper. El Universal is centrist (center-kind of right), 100+ years old, always persecuted by military governments. It doesn't represent the view of a small minority of our people, it's one of the 3 or 4 most sold newspapers in the country.

"in this case prosecution of USAID-funded rightwing student rioters and striking union members who broke the law, and whom I suspect also were paid by the USAID or the CIA merely to cause trouble":

... you're putting everyone in the same basket without knowing the situation, just because you "suspect". That's so unfair, you shouldn't accuse them so easily. I know dozens and dozens of students who demonstrate, some are even less than 20, and many come from low classes. How can you say in such manner that they were paid by the CIA? They would laugh so hard to this surrealistic statement. This year they made demonstrations because the government was cutting public universities' budget. Do you know any country in the world where students don't demonstrate when they have budget cuts? I know student demonstrations in a peaceful european country like France are 100 times more violent than in Venezuela, because I've been in both. Have you?
It's not because some Goicoechea received money from the US Congress that you should attack all the students that demonstrate. 4/5 of them don't even agree with his political views (socio-cristian).


"dramatic improvement in literacy": I showed you already with government numbers (official ones transmitted to the UNESCO) that this point was a myth. Go and check.

the historical level of voter participation:
1958: 93,4%
1963: 92,2%
1968: 96,7%
1973: 96,5%
1978: 87,5%
1983: 72,9%
1988: 81,9%
1993: 60%
1998: 59,3%
2000: 56,3%
2006: 74,7%
Increasing again... good thing

The good reform of our tax system: I agree

The 43 billion in reserves: you're not up to date. That was the level nine months ago. The actual level of our reserves is 32,9 billion. So -10 billion in 9 months, 25% of the cushion you were mentioning.

"So, you see, I know this article is crap, not only because the generators of the story are full of crapola about "human rights" but also because El (non) Universal never publishes anything else. It's the rightwing viewpoint all the time."

You don't even know who "the generators of the story" or El Universal are.

You must understand that there is a left-wing opposition in Venezuela, that had nothing to do with the coup 7 years ago, that many of this opposition was in the chavista side when that happened (as I was). This not golpista, leftist, formerly chavista opposition, is part of the people who issued this declaration. Do you think that Chavez had a "right-wing" government with "right-wing deputies" back in 1998-2005? So stop calling the whole opposition golpista or right-wing because, I can assure you, that it doesn't make any sense. If you have two camps, unfortunately, in today's Venezuela, one is really homogenous (chavista) and the other is a huge "mix bag".

So why would you insult them so much instead of listening what they have to say?