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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 09:15 AM
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Y'all see this? "Colombia to Aid U.S. in Taliban Fight"?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3989497

Criminy! The narco-thugs running Colombia now want to heroin trade as well?
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 10:23 AM
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1. They're becoming more like the Israel of Latin America every day now
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 11:20 AM
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2. Israel's involvement in Colombia goes back too far, too.
Edited on Tue Jul-28-09 11:20 AM by Judi Lynn
Just google "Yair Klein" sometime to find out more about a brutal ass who went to Colombia to help train the paramilitaries in extremely violent tactics. Other Israelis have also involved themselves there:
Israelis fighting guerillas in Colombia


Colombian paper quotes local defense minister as confirming ex Israeli officers helping government in battle against guerillas, drug lords, while guerrilla group FARC claims Israeli commandos also fighting them in jungles

Beatrice Overlander Published: 08.10.07, 10:15 / Israel News

Colombia's defense minister confirmed recently that ex Israeli military men were helping his government fight guerilla organizations, Colombia weekly Semana recently reported.

Meanwhile, Colombian guerilla group FARC stated that Israeli commandos, along with American and British forces, were operating in the jungles against drug lords and guerilla fighters

While denying this report, Defense Minister Juan Manuel Santos did admit that a group of Israeli advisors was working alongside local defense officials in the last year.

According to Semana, "A group of former Israeli military officials is counseling the military's top brass on intelligence issues." The paper added that the Israelis were hired by the Colombian Defense Ministry in order to improve the army's intelligence gathering capabilities and the command and control structure within the military.
More:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3435949,00.html

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Colombia's Paramilitary
Profile of an Entrenched Terror Network
by Adam Weiss
April 22, 2002

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In 1989, it was discovered that paramilitaries directly involved with drug cartels had received training from retired Israeli officers. A videotape, apparently recorded by Colombian cartel members, showed Israeli trainers “running military and assassination training exercises for about 50 men.” Two of the trainers were retired Lt. Colonel Yair Klein and Lt. Colonel Amatzia Shu’ali. Klein was the president of a private Israeli military advising company, called Spearhead, for which Shu’ali worked. Both men had been involved in other shady training operations; Klein was part of the Israeli effort to train the Nicaraguan Contras and Shu’ali had trained numerous Guatemalan military officers involved in brutal scorched earth campaigns against the civilian population. Regarding the Colombian paramilitaries, Klein claimed that his work was supported by the Colombian government and military, saying the training occurred in very close proximity to an army camp and involved the use of military equipment. The Israeli government claimed that military trainers like Klein were acting independently in their training of Colombian paramilitaries, saying that Spearhead had applied for permission to work in Colombia but was denied. The key issue was whether Spearhead was indeed “freelancing” or if it was a private front for military operations potentially embarassing to Israel. This issue has not been fully resolved, but the fact that Klein, Shu’ali, and other involved in training paramilitaries were high-ranking individuals with close connections to the Israeli government casts doubt on Israel’s claim of non-involvement or ignorance of the situation. As an Israeli magazine, New Outlook, stated, “Israel’s powerful defense ministry and its confederated military industries operate an international network of well-connected former military officers as sales agents. These are people who have access, having cultivated key contacts among foreign armed forces. They and their companies work independently of, but in cooperation with, Israel’s military attaches.”

Further concern comes from the fact that the portion of Plan Colombia dedicated to aerial fumigation of coca crops is focused almost exclusively on FARC-controlled areas. As John Donnelly of the Boston Globe reported, “The US-financed attack stays clear of the areas controlled by paramilitary forces in central and northern Colombia,” where they have their greatest stronghold. Military aid to Colombia has been and continues to be given on the grounds of reducing the flow of cocaine to the US by large-scale fumigation of coca crops, on the supposed grounds that the FARC are “narco-guerrillas.” The irony of this is that paramilitaries are far more involved in actual drug trafficking than the FARC is. The FARC’s role in the drug trade rarely goes beyond taxing coca production, which should be kept in perspective since the FARC taxes most economic activity within their areas of control. Paramilitaries, on the other hand, “protect far more drug laboratories and internal transit routes,” according to freelance journalist Frank Smyth. Carlos Castano has admitted publicly that 70% of AUC funding comes from the drug trade. Two Colombian drug lords, Victor Carranza and Henry Loaiza, are both known to have strong paramilitary forces, are implicated in various massacres, and are thought to have military contacts currently or in the past. One is left with the possibility that either the US is not targeting the paramilitaries simply due to a lack of interest in them or there is actual support for paramilitary activity. While one possibility cannot be proven over the other, given the aiding of the Colombian military while it is known that they collaborate with paramilitaries, the CIA involvement in the establishment of intelligence networks, and the presence of US Special Warfare trainers, it is highly likely that there is some degree of support for paramilitary groups and tactics among certain sectors of the US government.
More:
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=1450

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Yair Klein
Thursday, June 1st, 2000
Who Is Israel's Yair Klein and What Was He Doing in Colombia and Sierra Leone?

Last weekend, Colombian intelligence agents arrested two Israelis and a Colombian suspected of being part of an arms-smuggling network attempting to deliver more than 50,000 guns to guerrillas.
Colombian officials are investigating whether the detained Israelis are linked to Yair Klein, an Israeli mercenary accused by Colombian authorities of training right-wing paramilitaries and drug-traffickers in the late 1980s and 1990s.

And it is this man Yair Klein that we are going to take a close look at today. It's the story of a leading mercenary but also of the governments and shadowy forces he has worked with.

In late April, Yair Klein was released from a Sierra Leone prison where he spent 16 months on charges that he was smuggling arms to rebels from the Revolutionary United Front (RUF).

Klein is a former lieutenant colonel in the Israeli Army. In the 1980s he established a paramilitary mercenary company called Spearhead Ltd. Through this company, Klein began providing arms and training to forces in South America.

In 1989, Klein, along with several other former Israeli officers, was charged by authorities in Colombia of providing paramilitary training and arms to drug lords running international cocaine cartels. He is also accused of training Mafia assassins whose targets have included Colombian politicians. Klein is also suspected of involvement in the explosion of a Colombian airliner in November 1989.
More:
http://www.democracynow.org/2000/6/1/who_is_israels_yair_klein_and
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 01:19 PM
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3. Speaking of Israel/Colombia
Edited on Tue Jul-28-09 01:21 PM by rabs

http://61.129.89.199:8088/img/200907/21/44/12324641436573295652.jpg
An Israeli-manufactured Kfir warplane crashed last week in Cartagena. The two Israeli pilots escaped unharmed.

Now the question is, what the hell are Israeli pilots doing in Colombia?

Here is the answer

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/killer-kfirs-for-colombia/


and here are more pix of the plane that crashed last week.

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/kfir-fighter-plane-crashes-in-colombia/

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 01:28 PM
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4. Jeez! Heard about it, never saw a photo. Looks like a late 1950's U.S. car!
Good question. Are they there for the drugs, or for the extermination of leftists?

Thanks for the views.

Big strange mystery about Israeli military and Uribe. Will they be using the 5 bases, too, possibly?

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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 01:43 PM
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5. The verdict is still out on those bases
Edited on Tue Jul-28-09 01:45 PM by rabs



Uribe's first election, his re-election and his re-re-election (per Semana)

Uribe's dream of staying in power is dead; well, maybe technically moribund but you can hear the death rattle. At this point I think only an auto-coup could keep him in power four more years.

There was an important development last week in the Colombian Congress. A new president of the senate was elected, the same for the chamber of deputies. Both are opposed to the re-re-election of Uribe. This could be the final nail in Uribe's re-re-election coffin.

That is why the Pentagon and Uribe are moving so fast on the deal for the bases. Congress, the courts, the constitution and the people are not being consulted.

If an opposition candidate is elected and the uribistas are thrown out next year, I think the deal could be overturned.



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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 09:24 AM
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6. Wow. That's very interesting. Had never heard anything about this.
Do you think the turnover is a result of the endless discovery of links between Uribe, his cabinet, his party, Congress people and their connections to the narcotraffickers/death squads?

Is there a LOT of resistance to Uribe and his party now?

They're going to have to do something huge if they intend to keep from getting even worse, more militarized, more US controlled.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:51 PM
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7. Israel recognized the military coup regime in Honduras within hours of coup
They are up to no good in the Americas.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 03:50 PM
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8. From what I've seen, which could be totally wrong, they've been trying to pick a fight
with every country in Latin America which has any dealings with Iran, which means all the oil-producing countries other than Colombia, which has been tight with Israel for various reasons, including instrutions in warfare from former Israeli commando Yair Klein and his associates to both the military, and paramilitaries, for a long time.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 04:53 PM
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9. Israeli FM wraps up Latin American tour
Israeli FM wraps up Latin American tour
(AFP) – 4 days ago

BOGOTA — Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman on Tuesday wrapped up his tour of Latin American with a stop in Colombia, vowing greater future involvement by his country across South America.

"We think that today Israel must be more and more active in this continent, Lieberman said, professing a "very deep respect" for Colombia -- Israel's main trade partner in South America."

Lieberman's 10-day swing through Latin America is aimed in part at countering Tehran's growing influence in the region.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j390qX6u8Ej2UUwFPhwGAwThk-_w

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Israel Foreign Minister visits Colombia
Tuesday, 28 July 2009 08:15 Katharina Wecker

Colombia President Alvaro Uribe will meet with Israel Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman in Bogota Tuesday.

The two Heads of State meet to celebrate 60 years of diplomatic relations between the two countries. It is the first time in 14 years that a Israeli Chancellor visits Colombia.

Uribe and Lieberman will sit down with Colombian Foreign Minister Jaime Bermudez and Israeli vice-Presidents of the Parliament Danny Danon and Ruhama Avraham Balila.

Chancellor Lieberman is currently on a Latin America journey. He visited Brasil, Argentina and Peru.

http://colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/5188-israel-chancellor-visits-colombia.html
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