Serious stuff: Chavez issues a warning to Uribe

[rabs]

Hesitate to post this in GD because of the frenzy associated with any Chavez/Venezuela posts there. Here the waters are calmer.

Anyway, in the past ten days, Uribe and his Def. Min. Santos have both said that Colombia will invoke the "Doctrine of Hot Pursuit" in hunting down FARC and ELN guerrillas. In other words, if the guerrillas are detected beyond Colombia's borders, Uribe and Santos reserve the right to hunt them down, capture them or kill them. This means Venezuela and Ecuador.

Well, that did not go down very well with Chavez.

Chavez on his Sunday radio talk show today told Uribe that Venezuela will send his Sukoi warplanes to stop any such incursion by Colombian troops.

Chavez said Santos' remarks were a threat to peace in the region.

"That is gasoline and a match, President Uribe ...

Chavez said that Santos is aiming to "convert Colombia into the Israel of Latin America" and "that project exists." Chavez said the United States is behind this because for the U.S. right wing "a war between Venezuela and Colombia or between Colombia and Ecuador would be ideal to justify an intervention."

Chavez asked Obama to "fulfill his word and respect the sovereignty of the people of the world" and that he "dismantle the infernal machinery that he commands."

Chavez said he does not even want to think that Santos would do such a crazy act against Venezuela as he did to Ecuador (the bombing raid one year ago).

But if it happened, Chavez said "with all the pain in my soul, I would order the Sukoi to be fired up.

http://www.telam.com.ar/vernota.php?tipo=N&idPub=137747&id=280049&dis=1&sec=1

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There was also a strong reaction from Correa. Will effort to find it.

[Judi Lynn]

1. Wow! You can't say he hasn't been warned on this. You have to wonder who's in charge there.

As we know, Santos was just here a week or so ago, and was also here last winter, when _Bush was still there. He's been spending a lot of time in Washington.

Without a doubt, they intend to keep that war going, it's their income! 3rd largest foreign aid package in the world. They want to keep on getting those billions of dollars the U.S. taxpayers need to be able to keep in their own pockets, instead. They'll stretch that war out for the rest of their lives. They'll keep pretending they've found more rebels, and they'll keep killing citizens and claiming they were rebels, and they'll keep running false flag operations like the ones they've already been caught doing, like bombing places, claiming the rebels "done it," only to be exposed, later on, themselves.

According to accounts of testimonies from militaries and death squad thugs alike, "false positives" have been around a LONG time there, and what a filthy shame.

It's coercion, as we all know Colombia is the Rumsfeld idea of a "lily pad" country, from which operations can be launched on all the countries around it, like Israel. They can keep demanding our tax dollars, and most likely they'll get it until we get more enlightened goals for our country's future, and turn away from all the heavy-handed, brutal methods of doing business.

I saw someone posted the C.I.A. means "Capital's Invisible Army." That could be true, couldn't it?

If you hear anything more on this, please add it here. We can use all the news we can get, and we're willing to work around the people who come here as disruptors, to get it.

http://elecuadordehoy.org.nyud.net:8090/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/correa-uribe.jpg

http://www.aid97400.lautre.net.nyud.net:8090/IMG/jpg/ChavezMoralesCorreaUribe.jpg

[EFerrari]

4. Uribe is helping to roil the waters, I see.

I hope that medal Bush gave him keeps him safe and warm.

[Judi Lynn]

5. Oh, yes, "the Precious!"

http://www.cbc.ca.nyud.net:8090/gfx/images/news/photos/2009/01/13/alvaro-uribe-cp-6085007.jpg

Memries,
Like the corners of my mind
Misty water-colored memories
Of the way we were
Scattered pictures,
Of the smiles we left behind
Smiles we gave to one another
For the way we were
Can it be that it was all so simple then?
Or has time re-written every line?
If we had the chance to do it all again
Tell me, would we? could we?
Memries, may be beautiful and yet
Whats too painful to remember
We simply choose to forget
So its the laughter
We will remember
Whenever we remember...
The way we were...
The way we were...

http://www.cbc.ca.nyud.net:8090/gfx/images/news/photos/2007/03/11/bush-colombia-cp-161514.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com.nyud.net:8090/_mg7D3kYysfw/RolyOCxSOsI/AAAAAAAAB44/74ZzeecaBQ8/s400/2005_08_04_bush_uribe_600.jpg

Sniff, sniff.......

[EFerrari]

7. LOL! The resemblance is unmistakable!

:rofl:

[rabs]

6. Good question, who's in charge?

Mutual distrust. Or, if looks could kill.

Semana's cover story this week is reporting that:

"In the space of only four days, Juan Manuel Santo was attacked, insulted, rectified, ratified and eulogized."

It had been widely expected in Bogota that Santos would resign, or be fired, after his gaffe about DAS-gate in Washington and for his remarks about Hot Pursuit, which Uribe had also uttered. (The bushies called it the doctrine of "pre-emptive strikes," which they used to attack Iraq.

But Santos was kept in office by Uribe, in what Semana calls a "marriage of convenience." Semana reported that to have fired Santos would have been akin to handing over Santos' head on a silver platter to Chavez and Correa.

Santos yesterday (Sunday) flew to Santiago de Chile for a Latam Defense Council conference. He is also scheduled to go to Brasilia.

The U.S. chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Adm. Mullen, was in South America last week. He made stops in Colombia, Brazil, Chile, Peru and Mexico. He did not go to Venezuela, Ecuador or Bolivia. Coincidence?

Here is a snapshot of what caused this latest flap: While I would not go as far as describe it as the winds of war, it certainly was a gust.


Santos said to go after FARC and ELN guerrillas outside of Colombian territory was "an act of legitimate defense," which sparked the latest crisis.


Ecuadoran Defense Minister Javier Ponce called a news conference to express displeasure with the Colombian government after Santos' remarks.


Venezuelan Foreign Minister Nicolás Maduro, joined Ecuador in condemning Santos' remarks.

Then Chavez yesterday said he would not hesitate to start up Venezuela's Sukoi warplanes and tanks were there to be an attack on Venezuelan territory.

In Quito, Correa said his armed forces would repel any incursion by "irregulars" (FARC) or by "regulars" (Colombian armed forces). Chavez and Uribe reportedly spoke by phone on Saturday to try to cool things dowb,

So there it is. I suspect that Uribe will back down, but if not ... ???

[Peace Patriot]

2. The FBI interrogated the 2 curriers carrying "proof of life" back in 2007!

I went googling about this latest Colombia/U.S. threat against Venezuela and Ecuador, and stumbled upon this...

http://www.colombiasolidarity.org/en/node/166

...the whole story of those curriers, whose arrest nearly ended Chavez's hostage release efforts a year ago. This is the most detailed report of what happened to the curriers that I have seen, and it is very revealing as to U.S. control of Colombia, with FBI agents questioning and threatening prisoners in a Colombian jail. I think we can be fairly certain that either Obama/Clinton, or someone in the U.S. government, or perhaps Congress, are behind this latest threat, because I doubt that Uribe/Santos would be so boldly violating the Rio Group agreements without the permission of their major weapons suppliers--the U.S.

Among other things, this article reveals that President Sarkozy of France was in direct communication with the FARC back then. Uribe and his handlers in Washington--and the Rumsfeldian "Office of Special Plans" operators in Colombia, who invented the FARC "miracle laptop" evidence to slander Chavez and Correa as "terrorist lovers"--were using such contacts as propaganda points against Chavez, even though Uribe had (treacherously?) asked Chavez to negotiate with the FARC on hostage releases. It's okay for Sarkozy to have direct contact with the FARC, but not Chavez or Correa, who have the Colombia civil war right on their borders? This is the bind that Chavez and Correa are in, and why they have tried so hard to bring about a peaceful end to Colombia's 40+ year civil war--only to be sabotaged, foiled and slandered at every turn, by those who profit from war--Uribe, Santos, the Bushwhacks and U.S. war profiteers.

With the drawdown in Iraq, and some positive signs regarding Afghanistan, the U.S. military/corporate war profiteers sre looking for new opportunities to continue soaking billions and billions of dollars out of U.S. taxpayers. A few weeks ago the Pentagon was saying that their new mission in Afghanistan is to destroy the poppy fields (I laughed out loud). I think these "drug war" shootouts in Mexico were instigated by the Bushwhacks to militarize Mexico, all the better to privatize Mexico's oil resource. And Colombia sending FARC impersonators over the border into Venezuela or Ecuador--to create "Gulf of Tonkin" type excuses for war, destabilization and planned fascist coups in Venezuela and Ecuador--is in a similar vein. Its aim is to regain global corporate predator control of Venezuela's and Ecuador's oil. At the least, it is aimed at disruption of South America's great progress toward economic independence, with the formation of their new common market, UNASUR, and other positive developments.

Here is an example of how these events are being used by the corpo/fascist press--recently (3/5/09) in The Economist...

http://www.economist.com/world/americas/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13235097

The Economist, like the Wall Street Urinal, used to have a rep for providing fairly decent factual info for its business readers. Not any more--or not on the South American left. They've gone the way of the Urinal.

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The only other article I've found so far on this current threat from Colombia is BBC, which says that Uribe has "distanced himself" from Santos' remarks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7931722.stm

[Bacchus39]

3. seems he wants to protect the FARC located in Venezuela n/t

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[Judi Lynn]

8. Ecuador enforces Colombia border

Tuesday, 10 March 2009

Ecuador enforces Colombia border

Ecuador: The Ecuadorian government will deploy 3,000 additional troops to the border with Colombia to stop illegal groups, drug traffickers and fuel smugglers.

According to Security Minister Miguel Carvajal 7,000 soldiers and 3,541 police are already stationed alongside the 720-kilometer (450-mile) border.

He said five new military bases and 10 police stations would be built in the northern areas of Esmeraldas, Carchi, Imbabura, Sucumbios and Orellana. Air patrolling will also be increased.

Ecuador, that has cut all diplomatic ties with its northern neighbour in March 2008 after Colombia attacked a FARC camp on Ecuadorean terroritory, says right wing paramilitary groups are crossing the border frequently and the Uribe Government is refusing to secure the border. Quito, Prensa Latina

http://www.dailynews.lk/2009/03/10/wld05.asp

[Judi Lynn]

9. Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez Calls Colombian Defense Minister Threat to Region

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez Calls Colombian Defense Minister Threat to Region

Atlanta, Ga. 3/09/2009 03:25 PM GMT (TransWorldNews)

Venezuela’s President Hugo Chavez has called Colombian Defense Minister Juan Manuel Santos a threat to the region following Santos’ declaration that he would not rule out entering other countries while pursuing left-wing rebels.

During his radio address on Sunday Chavez stated, “Mr. Santos, the Minister of Defense of Colombia, has been declared an enemy of Venezuela.” The President continued, “What Minister Santos has said is a threat to the peace of South America and what he represents, the most fascist current of the Colombian oligarchy.”

Chavez warned that any Colombian troops entering Venezuela would be treated as an act of war and would be met with a military response.

Colombian troops entered Ecuador last year in their pursuit of a FARC leader and that act nearly triggered a military response as both Ecuador and Venezuela mobilized troops along their border, saying Colombia had violated the sovereignty of another Latin American country.

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?storyid=79182

[Bacchus39]

10. did then he said he had a dirty butt n/t

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