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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:23 PM
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The more I think about Biden's performance last night, the more I like it.

It was respectful and yet it left with nothing to hoot about. Had he corrected her in any way, it would have been red meat for the Blues, but a waste of time & talent. Instead of going after her, or even correcting her more than he needed to reassert his points, he simply walked right past her and hit his target: sink McCain, sell Barack.

At first I worried: 'She's not sputtering; she's not forgetting the names of her family members; he's being too wonky, not really scoring debate points, letting her get the last word in...' I was being a worry wart. I was assuming the electorate would be bamboozled yet again by a candidate who substituted any knowledge of governance with a folksy confidence in her own delusional platitudes. I thought the viewers and the voters might fall for it again.

I was wrong and Biden was right. Joe just plugged away, explaining the facts and counting on the American people to listen in, ignore the sparkle, and figure out that this is a guy who knows his job. The TV reviewers of the "Sarah Bright and Dark" show were as dumb as me. They too saw her certainty and poise on stage and marveled at her ability to control the debate. They too assumed anyone who isn't locked into a Red or Blue posture is a nincompoop who will fall for a charming spokesmodel over a professorial DC workhorse.

Viewers didn't see a woman who controlled the debate; they saw a woman who refused to answer the questions the moderator asked. They saw through the smile and weren't blinded by the winks. The post-game recap on the cable shows all talked about how she "spoke directly to the people" and how it was like she wasn't on the same stage with Biden. But they missed that Biden was also not on the same stage with Palin. They missed how Joe Biden turned his style into substance--or maybe remade substance into his style.

This isn't the first time Joe's done this. In 1988 Biden chaired the politically volatile Bork hearings just as his presidential campaign was flaming out over a careless intellectual sloppiness on his part (I'm being far kinder to Biden here than he is toward himself in his biography, Promises to Keep). Biden got a chorus of advise from his colleagues and political supporters--don't get bogged down in civil rights minutiae against Bork, go after something personal or take Bork down on political issues. Instead, Joe Biden trusted the voters to be smart enough to handle the truth, smart enough to handle an intelligent conversation in the midst of a campaign season, smart enough to grasp, if it's presented right, something as abstract as the importance of judicial philosophy.

Joe trusted us, the people. And Joe Biden was right. Joe Biden is one of those rare politicians who isn't just smart himself, but brings out the intelligence in the people he offers his leadership to. And that's why, for all his talent at saying dumb things on occasion, I trust Joe. Because Barack Obama was smart enough to trust him, too, I grow more confident every day that we won't just win an election this year, but that we'll actually be able to begin the long slow work of putting this country back on the right road.

And we won't have to get to that road by driving over the Sarah Palins in the world; we don't have to play the old Republican game of personally smearing and destroying our opponents. We only have to trust our fellow citizens to be smart enough to see who's leading when we walk right past the Republicans' hissyfits and distractions and move toward building a better government.

Thank you, Joe, for keeping a cool head. Thank you, Barack, for finding this kindred spirit.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:40 PM
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1. Great post!!!
I saw it out there and gave it a rec.

When I get back out there, I'll kick it too :)
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:56 PM
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2. excellent post
:hi:
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:09 AM
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3. I wasn't sure what Joe was going to do,
but I was confident that he would do it well and with class. My expectations for him were high and he surpassed them. What a guy!
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:27 PM
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4. This is a very accurate summary of the debate & the reaction to it.
I too was worried when Palin came out & wasn't tongue tied or vacuous like the Couric interview. But within about 10 minutes, it became apparent that she was reciting memorized talking points & didn't have a real grasp of the issues being discussed.

I watched the debate on CNN which had a meter of a group of people's reaction to the debate. At first, Palin outperformed Biden, but about 20 minutes into the debate Biden found his pace & she had used all her ammo & was stuck repeating the same stuff over & over. I was pleased to see that the 'meter people' saw this too. She still did ok on some issues, education & energy, but over all, Biden's meter was higher more often. It was such a great opportunity for people who are not familiar with Biden to see what a remarkable statesman he is & his incredible breadth of knowledge.

Other than the backwash, I think most Americans are tired of the same old shit. We are tired of mean & nasty & snarky. We are tired of being talked to like we are children. We're tired of politicians who think we can't detect a pile of bullshit when it's right in front of us. We are tired of bright & shining stars that have no substance. We no longer want a president who we would like to have a beer with or go to a kid's soccer game with. We have serious issues & we need serious, smart people to solve them, not some ditsy beauty queen who is having the time of her life strutting around the country like she's the fucking queen.

If McCain wins this thing, we're fucking toast.

That's it. I'm off to donate a small token to the Obama campaign.

Thanks for your wonderful post!

:hi:
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:52 PM
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5. And a great response as well
You were going "Andrew Shepherd" on us there! "We've got serious problems, and we need serious people" and that would be followed up with, "This is a time for serious people, 'Sarah', and your fifteen minutes are up."
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:56 PM
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6. I love that movie!!
I finally bought it on DVD. I think Obama could be as good a prez as Shepherd! Oh wait, he has Biden, so he'll be even better!
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:20 PM
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7. I own it too
and just watched it AGAIN the other night. Joe reminds me of an Aaron Sorkin character. His speeches are right up there with Jed Bartlett's (I own six seasons of West Wing too).

Andrew Shepherd's speech is probably the best fictional, presidential speech I've ever heard. I never get tired of it!
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:37 PM
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8. I thought of that movie yesterday with the photos of Barak leaving the florist shop.
Remember when Shepard couldn't send flowers to Sydney? So he sent her a ham! :rofl:
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:45 PM
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9. Yes, yes!
And when he finally did go into the florist and spoke to the girl who had hung up on him? Priceless!
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:53 PM
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10. Hey, let's go to the movies together!
:popcorn:

I liked "Dave" too. I loved the scene where he was wallowing on the ground with his pup-dogs & Sigourney was looking at him from above with a puzzled expression! And also when she walked in, did the quick little 'wave at the public' event & Dave says, "She hates me!" & the two advisors give say, "Yes!"

I'm a sap for a good chic flick.

I just checked Blockbuster for "The West Wing" & they have all the seasons!! I put the first two seasons in my queue. I think I stopped watching it shortly after the second season - not because I didn't like it, but because there was something else I liked better. Thanks for bringing that tv show up!
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:00 PM
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11. I've seen all the West Wing episodes at least twice,
some more than that. My daughter and I are almost to the end of our marathon. Later we'll probably go back and do it again.

I own "Dave" too!!! Another really good one is The Contender with Jeff Bridges and Joan Allen. I love Bridges presidential character.

Another good on-screen presidential speech was actually from a Sci-Fi movie, Bill Pullman in Independence Day. It is a real heart-tugger.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:08 PM
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12. I just put those two movies in my queue.
Thanks! We were running out of ideas for what to watch & only had 3 movies in our queue, & one is 'very long wait.'

I've found I prefer watching television shows on DVD after the entire season comes out. I love marathons! And no commercials!!

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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:23 PM
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13. Yeah, my queue is really low now
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 02:25 PM by tsegat01
and most have a 'very long wait' as well. So I started recording old episodes of Boston Legal, a show I've been meaning to check out. Well, as luck would have it, the episode I recorded was actually the FIRST episode. I'm really loving the show. The dialogue is brilliant and the political references are very timely.

I love marathons as well and I've done it with several shows. It is so much fun to "just watch ONE more" episode!
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 03:06 PM
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14. I was really disappointed in Boston Legal's last season.
It's become a parody of a legal show. The Denny Crane character is just ridiculous. And they didn't let Alan Shore have enough great liberal closings. We missed the first season - I would like to see it. What channel are you watching it on? We started watching with the second season & it was really good. I can't remember if last year was the third or forth season.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 03:18 PM
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15. I'm watching it on ION
I get two ION channels and they've started with the first season. It is also on WGN but I think that is season 2006.

I watched the season premiere and the courtroom scenes were almost too political to be believable as the attorneys went WAY off topic to score some political points. I can't imagine any judge putting up with that in real life.

You're right, Denny Crane is over-the-top, and should play a much smaller role. Alan Shore is a fascinating character.

I was surprised to find out this is their FIFTH season. Where did the time go?
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