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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 03:01 PM
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To destroy compassion
Edited on Tue May-29-07 03:09 PM by undergroundpanther
The bottom line is that cognitive liberty is becoming one of the major
civil rights issues of this century. Our goal is to rally the folks
interested in fighting on the side of freedom of thought.
Empathy is the key to intimacy and to power sharing in relationship.
Destroy empathy, you destroy humanity and all you are left with is a machine.

Department of Defense seeks to make soldiers able to kill people on command without regrets or remorse. All so they can face the battle without getting PSTD which is damaging and costly to the people who would rather spend money colonizing other countries and corporate welfare.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=2964509

Would it be wise to remove a person's feelings of remorse after they did a crime even with permission of an authority figure with a chemical? Hell no.In 2002, the Office of National Drug Control
Policy coined the term "compassionate coercion".
"Compassionate Coercion? Is that like Compassionate Conservatism? or Friendly Fascism? Means the same thing to me. Regardless of whether the perpetrator hurts me with a smile,pretending like he"cares" for my well being, or a sneer ..the results are always the same.

Coercion or the willful and deliberate disregard of another's right to give or deny their own consent by using manipulation,censoring information,or by bullying is never compassionate and is not ethical. Ever.
The OPTION to say NO I do not want what YOU offer me,is a cornerstone of cognitive freedom in a social 'relationship'.


I am certain,the DoD developing drugs to destroy memories that induce guilt, to try to cure PSTD will also destroy human sensitivity,empathy and it is a BAD IDEA. Because a guilt free population is what the most sneaky and ruthless sociopaths would love to have happen to non psychopaths.

We build our whole interpretation and understanding of the world based upon experience or on the accuracy of our memories.
"If you disrupt those memories, remove continuity, what you have is an erosion of person-hood."
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/neuro/memory_drugs_sd.html
http://www.unknownnews.net/031208a-up.html

I say that because the Non-sociopath population which is about 3/4ths of all of us on Earth. Non-psychopaths are the only people who have a conscience because they can feel GUILT over doing bad things to others.
As kids misplaced guilt can cripple them if a psychopathic adult tortures them by abusing power over in some way.(it can be done by inflicting psychological or emotional abuse or neglect, It does not require sexual abuse or beatings to cause the child's boundaries to be unclear so they might become an adult who faced abuse and still has unclear boundaries)
http://www.cottesloecounselling.com.au/developing_healthy_boundaries.html

It all gets worse if society is in denial of abuse as sick,prevalent and painful,the caregivers are too self absorbed,and the kid is scarred by a memory they dare not express,and the kid will take on the guilt that should belong to the abuser. Because a young child blames them-self by default.Because non-psychopath kids are born compassionate, because they need to bond with others to survive.

http://www.birthpsychology.com/birthscene/ppic5.html
http://members.aol.com/KBone91/understandingparttwo.html
http://www.naturalchild.org/alice_miller/tenderness.html

A baby will die if it is not cuddled and treated with love, it's brain shuts down..they are seeking to create bonds to other people by nature So abuse or neglect,rejection or taunts by caregivers, peers or trusted adults who are narcissistic,psychopathic or authoritarian will twist that compassion inward as guilt and shame for something that never was the child's fault..Abuse can give the child the feeling compassion is dangerous.Or compassion is the causer of guilt.Or Love hurts.
http://www.minti.com/parenting-advice/5852/Children-that-blame-themselves-for-Domestic-Abuse/
http://www.dawnonline.org/children.htm
http://bagginsandco.blogspot.com/2007/04/individual-and-community_21.html


Our culture sees individual pursuit of self-happiness as a sacrosanct right and most people have no clue what it IS they seek,And the market takes FULL ADVANTAGE of all types of human suffering..Persuing this fake self happiness that our culture promotes gets in the way of developing true compassion for others plights and joys.Self happiness feels good to the self, and true compassion often feels pretty damn bad sometimes.But sometimes it can feel very good.

Through the cognitive dissonance of abuse confusing boundaries is a child's way of protecting itself from predatory people by pleasing them to avoid more abuse to be able to exist being dependant on people it needs and whom the child is hurt by.

As adults who bury memories of abuse that are non-psychopath they get confused about BOUNDARIES, and how to apply them.
Some might not even recognize abuse as abuse. Yet it is the non-psychopath personality types who need to have clear self protective boundaries to protect themselves and each other's well being. So forgetting the hurts done to you basically erases the emotional force behind why someone would erect a personal moral barrier against abusing others or by-standing while others get abused.

Healthy Non-psychopaths boundaries are mostly internally regulated by remorse and guilt and by a conscience, and it effects their behavior in external relationships in a positive ,pro-social survival way.. When a persons boundaries are messed up from abuse before the child could form their own boundary system,the person does not know what to do with their own compassion they freeze and by-stand unsure of where the boundary IS and wait for someone else with an authoritative stance to take the responsibility or"lead" the response.. If boundaries are non existent as in psychopathic personality who also happened to be abused, abuse, by-standing,and crimes will occur without the guilt remorse or any self restraint beyond how to get away with the crime.

Non -psychopaths are the only people who CAN restrain the damage these toxic personalities cause.And acting on the compassionate urge to intervene in an abuse situation it isn't always something that evokes feel good feelings.

So of course to get away with abuse psychopaths want to make everyone be like themselves and not care.
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/cat_dangers_mind_engineering.html

Because they do everything they can to ensure they do not have to deal with social boundaries or consent.They fancy themselves elite and they are ruthless and manipulating and consider non psychopaths and kids who have had no chance to learn boundaries,psychopaths from the beginning of time have declared open season on the non-psychopaths. Psychopaths like to get away with abusing others in every way one can be abused,so if people are drugged so they never feel guilt or remorse when others suffer who will care enough to stop a psychopath from abusing someone or abusing privileges in a position of authority?

Guilt and remorse have a important social survival function , They really do, they stem from thwarted human empathy,and they enable us to control ourselves on the inside so we can co exist without destroying each other on the outside of self in relation to each other in the world. In other words non-psychopaths self regulate their own ethical boundaries.Only giving one's inner locus of control to an authority figure can blind a soldier to the murders he commits in war, so once the responsibility is shifted back to the soldiers conscience and he might develop PSTD not only from trauma but from guilt when he realizes obeying orders from authority figures still does not negate his own moral responsibility as a human being.Sociopaths or those personalities who do not feel guilt or remorse for their actions are a predator upon all non psychopath people. So unless those people by their refusal to be abused , insight into how abuse dynamics are,and how manipulation is done,and whom do not tolerate abuse around them,and by not pitying psychopaths , people with a full spectrum of feelings balanced with a mind,who can feel empathy and the guilt and remorse that comes from it's misuse or disregarding conscience are the only personalities who can contain the ruthless among us..If you take away guilt and remorse you chemically create a criminal,from a non toxic personality literally.I dunno about you but that's some scary shit.

Narcissism: an innate force or tendency opposed to relationship and community. Without empathy no relationship can fill the poverty of a narcissist's inner life. Without reciprocity intimacy perishes.
http://ponerology.blogspot.com/

Because the definition of power as the ability to compel obedience fails to distinguish between coercive and non-coercive means of securing obedience, it is imprecise and potentially misleading.
http://medfascism.blogspot.com/2006/11/psychiatric-coercion-serves-drug.html

Some are born psychopaths.
http://www.futurepundit.com/mt/mt-altcomments.cgi?entry_id=2792
http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/pressparliament/pressreleases2006/pr857.aspx

Others might be made psychopathic
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/mind/s817005.htm
http://bioethics.gov/reports/beyondtherapy/chapter6.html
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/neuro/memory_drugs_sd.html
http://ehrenreich.blogs.com/barbaras_blog/2007/02/fake_your_way_t.html
http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200404/msg00191.html

In this world, I have not found any true friend. The whole world is
attached to its own happiness, and when trouble comes, no one is
with you. Wives, friends, children and relatives — all are attached
to wealth. When they see a poor man, they all forsake his company
and run away.
http://inspectorlohmann.blogspot.com/2006/12/building-invisible-comic-community.html
http://primal-page.com/ps4.htm


Excerpted from Talking heads
I'm not in Love.

...Feeling!
Take it easy baby...
Don't let your feelings get in the way.

Some day, I believe,
we can live in a world without love.

I can answer your questions,
If you won't twist what I say.
Please respect my opinions,
They will be respected some day.
Because we don't need love.
I believe that we don't need love.

There'll come a day when we won't need love.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1307401,00.html
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