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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 01:32 PM
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Legion commander attacks Edwards
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/05/american_legion.html

This was reprinted in my local paper and I started to prepare a response. Then I realized that Kansas would vote Republican even if Dick Cheney was running against Kathleen Sebelius. Still, for the rest of the country, here is a partial response.

It is the Legion Commander who has dishonored Memorial Day in my view by using it, and his position, to attack Edwards. That's far more partisan than opposing a war.

Second, has he ever attacked Bush for politicizing Memorial Day? In Bush's recent radio address he talked about Memorial Day. Yet he also felt it appropriate to push his 'stay the course' 'strategy' - "On Memorial Day we rededicate ourselves to freedom's cause. In Iraq and Afghanistan, millions have shown their desire to be free. We are determined to help them secure their liberty..."

If politicizing Memorial Day is some kind of sacrilege, then Bush is clearly guilty. Not only that, but unlike Edwards, if we follow Bush, it is guaranteed that we will have even more soldiers to mourn next year and the year after that. Last year, when 1,000 of our soldiers were still alive, Bush spoke on Memorial Day:

"Our nation mourns the loss of our men and women in uniform; we will honor them by completing the mission for which they gave their lives - by defeating the terrorists, by advancing the cause of liberty, and by laying the foundation of peace for a generation of young Americans."

Of course, we will somehow do all of this by continuing and escalating the war which he himself lied us into. Bush has not forgotten the lesson of 1984, that peace is war. In 2002, before he invaded Iraq, Bush spoke at Normandy. He said:

"For some military families in America and Europe, the grief is recent, with the losses we have suffered in Afghanistan. They can know, however, that the cause is just and like other generations, these sacrifices have spared many others from tyranny and sorrow."

By invading Iraq ten months later based on his own and his administrations dishonest claims of WMD that were not there, Bush has guaranteed that those who lose loved ones in Iraq will face the further loss of knowing that they died for lies and that their sacrifices have created great misery and destruction in Iraq. Bush has dishonored our country and our troops and Memorial day causing the deaths of almost 3,500 and counting the wounding of over 30,000 and the deaths of perhaps half a million Iraqis. That is what the commander of the American Legion and all Americans should be sickened by. Not by the actions of Edwards and others who would attempt to move that dishonest and heartless petty tyrant from a course which is a proven disaster.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 01:41 PM
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1. I don't see any useful purpose in the Amercan Legion.
A club for irrelevant gasbags and fearful old men to gather and perpetuate lies.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 01:57 PM
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5. Not to mention cheap beer and they tend to pass their wives around
It's not a singles thing; they legally divorce one and take on another.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 01:42 PM
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2. The American Legion? Don't they have a disease named after them?

:puke:



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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 01:53 PM
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3. The commanders comments are not taken well by most of the Legion
that commented. The American Legion is a membership of veterans that may or may not be elligible for the VFW, Veterans of Foreign Wars. They simply have to have been in one of the branches of the military during a time of war. Many of the bloody-shirt wavers in the Legion are the 101st Keyboard Division veterans. Since I mention it, the VFW has been very quite of late..hmmmm.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 01:56 PM
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4. Who Cares About A Bunch Of Fascists?
That's right, fascists.

Read it. Learn it. Live it.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 02:01 PM
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6. Yip, time for another one of my calls to the Legion headquarters
This happens from both the Legion and the VFW every election cycle. And I've been calling to complain every time. The national headquarters offices.

It started (for me) during the 2000 theft, before the Supremes blessed the theft, when a half dozen or more Medal of Honor holders were standing on SHRUB'S RETHUG STAGE, wearing their medals on a POLITICAL STAGE. I even tracked down the Medal of Honor society, or whatever its name is. That one said they have no control over what their members do.

Anyway, Tuesday has got my name on it (for calling).
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 02:15 PM
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8. The medals are theirs to wear, but were they wearing the VFW or AL garb?
This might be an IRS tax rules violation. The VFW and AL are apolitical for a reason ... cheap beer and no tax. Something you might wish to mention, because you are right about their "creepage" into the political realm during the election cycle.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 03:00 PM
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10. Yes, the medals are theirs to wear, but the medals are NOT POLITICAL in themselves
It was these JERKS (yes, I'm calling Medal of Honor holders JERKS) wearing them on a POLITICAL STAGE. As I recall, they had caps on, like from the VFW and Legion. And something like the sports coats and slacks that are the VFW/Legion "garb".

Anyway, once OUT of the military, yes, veterans can speak politically, but as far as I can interpret, it's still not kosher to use military symbols in the service of a particular political party or candidate. Talk about "politicizing".
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 02:08 PM
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7. Commander Paul Morin
who attacked John Kerry last year? Whose bio says he's a Vietnam vet, but who never left Ft. Dix?

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/12/03/legion_chief_alters_line_on_war_service/

Here's what one Vietnam vet has to say about "Commander" Paul Morin:

http://www.veteransforamerica.org/index.cfm/page/weblog/subpage/display_blog/bid/A6BA3CA8-123F-747A-1B34F0CAF07CD99C

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 02:57 PM
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9. Maybe we were in the same unit
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