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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 10:46 PM
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Caution: Some soft drinks may seriously harm your health
http://news.independent.co.uk/health/article2586652.ece

A new health scare erupted over soft drinks last night amid evidence they may cause serious cell damage. Research from a British university suggests a common preservative found in drinks such as Fanta and Pepsi Max has the ability to switch off vital parts of DNA.

The problem - more usually associated with ageing and alcohol abuse - can eventually lead to cirrhosis of the liver and degenerative diseases such as Parkinson's.

The findings could have serious consequences for the hundreds of millions of people worldwide who consume fizzy drinks. They will also intensify the controversy about food additives, which have been linked to hyperactivity in children.

Concerns centre on the safety of E211, known as sodium benzoate, a preservative used for decades by the £74bn global carbonated drinks industry. Sodium benzoate derives from benzoic acid. It occurs naturally in berries, but is used in large quantities to prevent mould in soft drinks such as Sprite, Oasis and Dr Pepper. It is also added to pickles and sauces.

Sodium benzoate has already been the subject of concern about cancer because when mixed with the additive vitamin C in soft drinks, it causes benzene, a carcinogenic substance. A Food Standards Agency survey of benzene in drinks last year found high levels in four brands which were removed from sale.


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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 10:57 PM
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1. According to one of the researchers, the U.S. FDA studies are out of date.
Interesting. Thanks for the post.


"A review of sodium benzoate by the World Health Organisation in 2000 concluded that it was safe, but it noted that the available science supporting its safety was "limited".

Professor Piper, whose work has been funded by a government research council, said tests conducted by the US Food and Drug Administration were out of date.

"The food industry will say these compounds have been tested and they are complete safe," he said. "By the criteria of modern safety testing, the safety tests were inadequate. Like all things, safety testing moves forward and you can conduct a much more rigorous safety test than you could 50 years ago."

He advised parents to think carefully about buying drinks with preservatives until the quantities in products were proved safe by new tests. "My concern is for children who are drinking large amounts," he said."
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 11:09 PM
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2. Pop: All the dangers of alcohol & none of the benefits.
let this be a lesson to all the kiddies out there.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 11:16 PM
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3. It's Worthy Of Investigation, But Far Too Early For Alarm In My Opinion.
Based on the article, the DNA problem was only seen in yeast. There has been no link to humans whatsoever. Until they can show that this has any realistic chance of having the same effect on humans, I'd consider it too early for any real sort of alarm. But based on the new information, it is still most definitely worthy of further study.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 11:30 PM
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4. Michael J Fox is said to have consume 10 diet pepsi's a day
had to have high toxicity levels...
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 11:44 PM
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5. Sodium benzoate. Mmmmm.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 12:26 AM
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6. Add the corn products,
double sugar syrups, the plastic bottles, and the caffeine and crap and you have a winner ......NOT
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 12:46 AM
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7. So Ascorbic Acid + Sodium Benzoate = Benzene, a known carcinogen.
Edited on Sun May-27-07 12:47 AM by w4rma
That is very bad. Even if there is no Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid) to react with the Sodium Benzoate in the soft drink, itself, there is definitely Vitamin C in the human body to react with the Sodium Benzoate to create the cancer causing molecules, Benezene, inside of the human body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_benzoate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 01:17 AM
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8. Bill Maher was right ... we eat shit!
Edited on Sun May-27-07 01:18 AM by BattyDem

Why do we put this crap in our bodies? At what point did it become perfectly acceptable for every person in the free world to consume chemicals with names we can barely pronounce?! Who decided this was a good thing? :shrug:
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 01:20 AM
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9. Corporations
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 01:20 AM
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10. You're right.
:-(
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 01:44 AM
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11. In latin America they really pump up the sugar in those drinks.
I use to suck them down when I could and wonder if I was developing a risk for diabetes. I do get hypo-glycemia, so, who knows?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 01:49 AM
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12. these drinks mentioned are in England and their sugar levels are less than United States
when i went there a few years ago i had some soft drinks there including Pepsi Max and they all tasted weird because they didn't have as much sugar as in the United States.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 02:02 AM
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15. I just checked
there is sodium benzoate in Mountain Dew. There's also concentrated OJ in it, which would lead to the benzene problem. The article mentioned 'large quantities' though. So the question may be 'how much'? How much is in each drink, and how many drinks does a person consume in a day?
There isn't any sodium benzoate in Coke or 7-Up, according to their labels.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 08:42 AM
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17. Mt. Dew. Who knew?
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 09:59 PM
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21. I'd worry more about brominated vegetable oil (BVO):
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 01:52 AM
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13. Thank the goddess that I haven't had a 'soda' since I was a kid.
Never did like them.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 02:02 AM
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14. I stopped all that shit cold in '02 after I found out what it did to kidneys alone.
This just makes me more upset about what a Diet Coke junkie I was up until that time.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 02:15 AM
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16. This isn't new news - Coke has reformulated its brands, Pepsi & others have not
CAMDEN, N.J., May 14 /PRNewswire/ -- In the wake of Coca Cola's
settlement of litigation related to the presence of benzene in popular soft
drinks (see below), parents and their attorneys called upon the remaining
defendants -- including soft drink giant PepsiCo and youth beverage
companies Sunny Delight, Shasta and Rockstar -- to reformulate their
beverages, remove potentially harmful product from store shelves, and offer
refunds to consumers who purchased beverages with ingredients that can
combine to form benzene, a known carcinogen.

BENZENE SETTLEMENT WITH THE COCA-COLA COMPANY ANNOUNCED
May 14, 2007 - Consumer lawyers and The Coca-Cola Company announced
today a legal settlement involving Fanta Pineapple and Vault Zero products.

"We are very pleased to join with The Coca-Cola Company in announcing
this settlement," said Boston attorney Andrew Rainer and Florida attorney
and Northeastern University Law and Policy Professor Tim Howard, who
represented the consumers.

-snip-

The Coca-Cola Company has recently reformulated its Vault Zero and Fanta Pineapple products to minimize or eliminate possibility that those products can form benzene. Products labeled with a best-buy date of January 2008 or later are the reformulated Vault Zero and Fanta Pineapple products.

-snip-
BENZENE TEST RESULTS
POPULAR SOFT DRINKS

Product: Tested Benzene Level
(parts per billion):

Diet Wild Cherry Pepsi 18
Sunny D Baja Orange 8.3
Sunny D Baja Berry 16
Sunny D Intense Sport Lemon Lime 10
Shasta Orange 19
Diet Rockstar 13
Polar Diet Orange Dry 24
Publix Diet Lemon Lime 5.3
Tests conducted 11/23/05 - 5/01/07, by Life Sciences Laboratories,
Inc., Alpha Analytical Laboratories, and Northeast Analytical Labs.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=ind_focus.story&STORY=/www/story/05-14-2007/0004587945&EDATE=MON+May+14+2007,+04:07+PM
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DamnYank Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 01:51 PM
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18. I stopped drinking that crap years ago
Coca Cola will strip the paint from an automobile. Does anyone really want to drink that stuff? I drink mostly filtered tap water, along with a daily glass of organic orange juice and a beer or two. No sodium benzoate, high fructose corn syrup, chemical dye, or regrets. Of course, to each s/his own.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 01:56 PM
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19. One wonders. How long have the chemists concocting these cancerous cocktails
know that benzene would result from mixing sodium benzoate with Vitamin C? Seems that if they were actually educated as a chemist, it would be from day 1. :mad: :mad: :mad:
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 11:52 PM
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22. This was a relatively recent, and surprising, discovery.
Anyone who has been educated as a chemist -- as I have -- knows that benzoic acid is a fairly stable compound, and that there is no obvious mechanism by which it can easily be decarboxylated to form benzene at low temperatures. It has been known for a very long time that AT SUFFICIENTLY HIGH TEMPERATURES (a few hundred Celsius) this will happen, but that hardly seems relevant to what is likely to happen at or near room temperature. In addition, copper (not found in foods) can catalyze the decarboxylation of benzoic acid in refluxing quinoline (i.e. at a temperature around 238°C), again far removed from conditions likely to be encountered in food. It is worth noting that benzoic acid used to be obtained by dry distillation of gum benzoin, and benzoic acid boils at 249°C, so it is fairly stable to thermal decomposition.

There is one well-known type of reaction by which benzoic acid could form benzene, but it was regarded as negligible because the circumstances necessary for it to come about seemed unlikely to be encountered by accident. This is a free-radical decarboxylation. Such reactions have been studied much more intensely in the last couple of decades as chemists have come to realize that radical reactions could be much more subtle and complex than older research had suggested. Understanding of the role of reactive oxygen species in biological processes has also grown, not entirely for the same reasons. It turns out that the hydroxyl radical (OH) which is often implicated in cellular damage is also the culprit in benzene formation. But why would OH be found in soft drinks? The answer is O2 from air. It reacts with various hydrogen-containing (usually organic) compounds to form such species as hydroperoxyl (OOH) radicals, which go on to form traces of hydrogen peroxide (HOOH). Still no benzene, though. Now we need to add some catalyst to convert HOOH to radicals, and certain metal salts, notably iron and copper (but not Al) do just that. That finally gets us the OH radicals, which remove a hydrogen from benzoic acid (IF it's present as the acid, and not a salt) to give a carboxyl radical, which may very well grab a H off of some other molecule, or IF there's nothing else for it to grab, simply fragment into CO2 and phenyl radical. Still no benzene! But wait, IF the phenyl radical can find a hydrogen (which its precursor couldn't) it can pull that off and form benzene. So there's quite a number of IF's in there, and it was thought really improbable that such a sequence of reactions would occur by itself, that is without someone very carefully designing a reaction mixture that got all the conditions just right. Even then, it wouldn't be a very efficient way to make benzene. (Also, it was found that other types of radicals tested would not cause decarboxylation as hydroxyl radical did.)

Of course, if you're worried about trace contaminants, efficiency doesn't matter -- if there are 10,000,000 parts per billion (ppb), i.e. 0.1% of benzoic acid present, only one in every million molecules needs to decompose this way for 10 ppb of benzene to form. 5 ppb is considered the acceptable limit by the FDA. (It may very well be the metal catalyst which is the limiting factor; if this could be reduced to zero conc'n, there would be no benzene formed. But iron is found in trace amounts throughout Nature, so some low conc'n of iron is unavoidable.) So when it was reported that the combination of ascorbate (vit. C), a metal catalyst, and benzoate (at low pH, where it forms the acid) found in soft drinks could in fact form benzene (see second link) in detectable quantities, it came as a surprise to almost everyone, but did lead to action being taken.

Just to make clear -- this is not something that anyone "actually educated as a chemist" would know "from day 1". The formation of benzene by this devious pathway is not at all transparently obvious; on the contrary, its elucidation required a considerable amount of sleuthing. It is not obvious at all that it should actually happen, nor does it appear to happen to more than a few molecules in a million. I do not know if your job is one which requires you to consider a one-in-a-million possibilty as "significant", but if it is, I would think you would have more understanding of what was involved in this case.

Apparently, the soft drink mfgrs themselves had initially approached the FDA with concerns about benzene. FDA investigated, published the results, and worked with mfgrs to reformulate the drinks. Subsequently, benzene levels were found to be very low. This happened back in the early 90's, i.e. the Bush I/Clinton years.

Apparently, the key factor was the realization that ascorbic acid -- a VITAL NUTRIENT -- reacts with O2 with particular ease to form H2O2 and similar species. Ascorbic acid also reacts very easily with OH radical, though, so the use of AA as an anti-oxidant would seem safe and well-grounded, and not likely to serve as a significant source of OH. Apparently, though, the combination of AA, traces of iron, and O2, in just the right combination, still leads to the formation of benzene, at least about one time in a million. So keeping the vital nutrient and anti-oxidant, vitamin C, OUT of soft drinks actually prevents the formation of benzene! Of course, one could always leave out the benzoic acid, but in its absence the growth of mold, yeast, and some bacteria becomes a problem. In a perfect world, no benzoate would be used. Realistically, no one wants to buy foods or drinks with mold growing in them, so it will probably continue to be used in traces. It is interesting to note that YEAST is one organism which appears particularly affected by benzoate -- by inhibition of fermentation -- and it is in yeast where the supposed effect on mitochondrial DNA was observed. There aren't enough details in this article to tell, but this researcher may have jumped to conclusions and raised a false alarm. It will be worth looking for follow-up to this report.

From the reports in 2005 and 2006, it sounds very much like the FDA and mfgrs have quit caring about this problem, and have been reformulating their drinks without regard to benzene formation. Of course, this is happening under Bu**sh**, so that's hardly surprising. With the public at large identifying vit. C as an antioxidant, and believing that antioxidants are A Good Thing, mfgrs have been quick to promote its use in their formulas -- a decision made by marketers, not chemists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzoic_acid

http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/jafcau/1993/41/i05/f-pdf/f_jf00029a001.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzene_in_soft_drinks

http://www.bfr.bund.de/cm/245/indications_of_the_possible_formation_of_benzene_from_benzoic_acid_in_foods.pdf

Finally, to provide a little context...
Benzene in soft drinks should be seen in the context of wider environmental exposure. Taking the worst example found to date, of a soft drink containing 87.9ppb benzene, someone drinking a 500ml can would ingest 44μg (micrograms) of benzene. Whilst there is no justification for a soft drink to contain high levels of benzene ("There is a difference here between a small and unavoidable risk, and a small but avoidable risk.” <5>), the casual consumption of such a drink is unlikely to pose a significant health hazard to a particular individual (see, for example, the EPA IRIS document on benzene<6>). However, spread out over billions of people consuming soft drinks each day, there would be a small number of cancers caused by this exposure<7>.

The UK Food Standards Agency has stated that people would need to drink at least 20 litres per day of a drink containing benzene at 10 μg to equal the amount of benzene you would breathe from city air every day.<8> Daily personal exposure to benzene is determined by adding exposure from all sources.

* Air: A European study found that people breathe in 220μg of benzene every day due to general atmospheric pollution. A motorist refilling a fuel tank for three minutes would inhale a further 32μg.<9><10>. The estimated daily exposure from "automobile-related activities" is 49 μg and for driving for one hour is 40 μg.<8>
* Smoking: For smokers, cigarette smoking is the main source of exposure: estimates are 7900μg per day (20-cigarette-per-day smoker)<9>, 1820 μg/day, and 1800 µg/day.<8>
* Passive smoking: Benzene intake from passive smoking is estimated at 63 μg/day (Canada) and 50 µg/day.<8>
* Diet and drinking water: 0.2 – 3.1 μg/day<8>
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-27-07 01:56 PM
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20. "Coke contains no sodium benzoate, but it is found in many of Coca-Cola's other brands
such as Oasis, Dr Pepper and Sprite."
http://news.independent.co.uk/health/article2586653.ece

Glad I drink only Diet Coke!


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