What do you think is the primary underlying reason the Democrats in Congress keep cowering?

[tom_paine]

It's the question that everyone has been asking ourselves for so long now.

How can this be? How can they NOT see how they appear? How can they NOT notice that, at almost EVERY TURN they play right into Bushevik hands?

ONE KEY EXAMPLE stands out for all the dozens of the rest...remember how the Democratic Party decided after much pressure from the Bushevik Sub-Media, to have a "positive" convention in 2004(read: vanilla with all the passion and life and righteous outrage called for by the times we live in were completely absent) that avoided any attacks on Lil' Boots?

My God, how'd that one work out? They do this every time. Can people who have accomplished so much in life and are obviously educated be this STUPID?

There must be some other reason for this upside-down behavior.

[liberal N proud]

1. I will go with the Wellstone, Carnahan thing but think there is more

I think there is a bigger threat they are using here. I have stated before that I would put it past the regime to threaten using a nuclear attack to get what they want. It may be a combination of those things.

[rainy]

2. They are afraid that the corporate media and the Rep. attack machine will

smear them and the whole country will be talking about them and ridiculing them. If they had not voted for the bill to end the funding they would be blamed for all time that it was their fault that the war was lost and that more troops died for lack of funding. This way it is still George's to lose.

[valerief]

6. I'm so tired of the "fear of the smear" theory. I think it's far more threatening

to them personally than that. And we have to remember that the WH is just the front office for the real criminals.

[AuntPatsy]

21. Me too, and that is where they are winning far too many people believe that line.

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[Individualist]

4. Other: DLC is in control of the party.

[Geek_Girl]

5. Bingo!

nt

[Disturbed]

7. NSA

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........

[tom_paine]

8. That could be construed as the "Bushevik Mole" choice

but I understand what you are saying, that is if they owe a larger allegience to the Royal Bushies.

If the DLC is a well-meaning, sincere organization that really believes in triangulation, etc., but who mistaken are fracturing and destroying the party, they couldn't very well be Bushevik Moles, could they?

Sadly, this is also an option.

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[leftchick]

34. a well-meaning, sincere organization?

between the influence of AIPAC and the DLC it is patently clear where the "left" went "right".

[NaturalHigh]

9. Other:

They're in bed with the same big business interests as the other party.

[BeHereNow]

16. Thank you for that simple truth.

There is no 'conspiracy'
There is only what people REFUSE to acknowledge
as reality.

BHN

[Quantess]

25. Yes.

[BlackVelvet04]

37. Not just in bed with but

engaged in a full blown orgy.

[mmonk]

10. Other.

Some democrats either support the president's foreign policy or at least parts or are accomplices in something that hasn't totally been revealed (like Sibel Edmonds issues of misconduct concerning the ATC and AIPAC and government officials). It's the only thing that seems at first blush to make sense. No accountability for the assault of our system of government and constitution as well as the war. It's definitely not all politics as usual with all that has happened.

[The Count]

12. here's a little item that got fairly ignored yesterday: Rove's visit to the Capitol

can be a variety of ways - from "I know where you live" to "your son has been photographed with a hooker - or if not, he will soon"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=967381&mesg_id=967381

[Warren Stupidity]

13. I'll go with the moles but it is more complicated than that.

A lot of the moles don't even know that they are moles. The real question is how to make mole sauce?

[Jamastiene]

26. Moles, my vote too.

I still believe the neocon movement is not limited to the Republican Party. It has infiltrated the Democratic Party as well.

[Swamp Rat]

14. "Have some anthrax with your Cheerios, Senator So-n-So."

fool me once...

[Marr]

15. The same reason they never talk about class and wealth. They DO NOT WANT TO

win on these issues.

They don't WANT to stop the war train and cost their corporate donors money. They don't WANT to strengthen labor in relation to capital. They just want you to THINK they do. To say that these people are afraid for their lives gives them too much damn credit. If they were simple cowards, I'd just say they should get out of Congress. The truth is that they're politicians, and they do not serve their constituents when it would cost corporate America money.

[Mme. Defarge]

17. They are serving the interests

of their largest campaign contributors.

[blm]

18. When corpmedia has GOPs believing that Rove's a political genius and have

Dems believing Bill Clinton is politically infallible, then what happens when both of them agree on Bush's overall military mission in Iraq?

[Bitwit1234]

19. Add to that the info about the two attorneys

that were killed. Ones who were investigating fraud by top republicans. And the fact that they attorneys who did have the guts to investigate it, were the ones fired. So the republicans control control control and if we the public get out of hand -- how about that mercenary army...

[tom_paine]

20. Oh yes indeed, there is a substantial criminal element to Chimpenfuehrer

Just like the original.

[BenDavid]

22. One simple reason. AFRAID...Yes

afraid to vote with the people....If we had as much media back in the days of the VietNam conflict there would not have been 58,000 names on a wall. That conflict would have been over with and maybe 20 to 30,000 brave men would have lived out their lives....
Its time for the Democrats to grow a sac.....Afraid, afraid of a president with a 26% approval rating and a country that with 68% says to get out of Iraq....
BD

[rucky]

23. all of the above...

the anthrax, the mysterious deaths, the bubble, the moles with crappy advice, the "put your tinfoil had away", the kleptocracy, the "other", it's a barrage of mindfucks from the most powerful members of the richest nation in the world, invested in concentrating that power even more. Some on our side are joining 'em (since they can't beat 'em) - others are happy to be subordinate as long as their job is safe - others are shell-shocked or scared shitless.

[nosmokes]

24. other -Corporate money/DLC influence or maybe it's just plain

simple cowardice.

[Duppers]

27. others have said it: the corporate sucking PRESS

would pound the 'you don't support the troops' drum.

Our whole democracy relies on info and the sheep have to be spoonfed.
The press is pouring GOP soup down their throats.

[tom_paine]

29. After six and a half years, that excuse is wearing thin

I know, I have made it for the Dems myself many times.

But, damnit, after all this time the Dems have the obligation to figure this out and fight it with a counter-strategy to free our press again and make it the jewel it once was (if that's even possible in a nation full of people apparently yearning for despotism).

I am tired of making excuses for why they haven't even started to grasp the problem after all this time.

[Dulcinea]

28. Other:

As long as there's money to be made in Iraq, we'll NEVER, EVER leave, no matter which party's in power. Corporate interests trump all. Everything else is just lip service.

We still have troops in South Korea after 50 years! Why would this be any different? The only way we'll ever leave Iraq is at gunpoint, or worse, God forbid.

[camero]

30. They're all mostly fuckin millionaires

And have more in common with repubs than with us. Thier rhetoric is quite nice to hear but thier actions speak volumes.

[1932]

31. Money. Military Keynesiansim. I just heard Chalmers Johnson say...

...that Oregon has two perfectly pleasant, liberal Democratic senators...who turn into bloodlusting fascists everytime they hear the word "Boeing". He was talking about their willingness to vote for any bill that gives boeing more money to make weapons of war.

He said that the defense industry spends money in every congressional district in America has the power to remove any congressperson who threatens their entitlement to us taxpayer money.

He also said that, since that money is going into resources that are not productive for society, it's jeopardizing our economy, our democracy and our nation.

[L. Coyote]

32. You are asking a FALSE Question.

First question has to be, "Do you agree with the premise of the question?"

[rucky]

38. The other option is to buy every excuse they offer for the long list of failures. n/t

[L. Coyote]

39. The other option is to enumerate the long list of Republican failures and scandals

The other option is to enumerate the long list of Republican failures and scandals and forward-focus our energy on bringing about a positive change.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=899312&mesg_id=899312

[rucky]

40. I'm all for that! n/t

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35. 1,2 & 3.....PLUS the BLUE DOG DEMS are really repukes who have infiltrated the party.

I think they're all being blackmailed. NSA wiretaps/illegal spying...anthrax to Dems only....yep, that's what's going on. If only we had someone with the freakin' guts to fall on their sword and admit to his or her wrongdoing just to EXPOSE the blackmail. That will never happen though. They're all in this for their own personal gains, not for the good of the country.

In response to your EXAMPLE...after the Dems had their kinder, gentler Dem convention, then the fuckers had their mean and evil anti-Kerry, band-aid, purple finger anti-Michael Moore convention! The Dems fall for this shit all the time and there has to be a reason. They ALL can't be this STUPID. Can they?:scared:

[NotGivingUp]

36. other...they're working for the corps...trying to placate the masses.

[librechik]

41. Battered Wife Syndrome

we've been aboused do long we have PTSD and can't darfe run away--he would track us down and beeat the shit out of us--and anyway if we did our whole precious lives (built on lies about how great our abuser is) would fall apart!

[leftofthedial]

42. 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, plus

the DLC IS the organization of the repuke moles

and the "democrats" are now owned by the capitalist oligarchs and their corporations