Ahh... Gotta Love Those Regent Univ Law Grads, Minds Like A Steel Trap

[DeSwiss]

REP. SCOTT: Do you believe that they were legal or illegal for you to take those political considerations in mind? Not whether they were legal or illegal. What do you believe? Do you believe that they were illegal?

MS. GOODLING: I don’t believe I intended to commit a crime.

REP. SCOTT: Did you break the law? Is it against the law to take those political considerations into account? You’ve got civil service laws. You’ve got obstruction of justice with any laws that you could have broken by taking political considerations into account, quote, “on some occasions.”

MS. GOODLING: The best I can say is that I know I took political considerations into account on some occasions.

REP. SCOTT: Was that legal?

MS. GOODLING: Sir, I’m not able to answer that question. I know I crossed the line.

REP. SCOTT: What line — legal?

MS. GOODLING: I crossed the line of the civil service rules.

REP. SCOTT: Rules — laws? You crossed the line of civil service laws. Is that right?

MS. GOODLING: I believe I crossed the lines, but I didn’t mean to. I mean, I — you know, it wasn’t –

*** - I think Regent University should use Monica's testimony in their future advertising plans. It would demonstrate to the uninitiated the type pillorying, grilling and interrogation that lie ahead for them -- in the testing of one's conviction to uphold the values of righteousness and moral godly principles, also known as "Family Values." Which curiously doesn't include anything about lying and deceit. And is also much easier to make such sacrifices for the cause, when you have immunity.

What a dipstick......

[ThomWV]

1. One presumes that a person with a Law Degree might know the law

Just a thought ....

[DeSwiss]

4. Yeah, she didn't do so well in college with federal laws....

...like the Hatch Act. Regent U specializes in Mosaic law and Leviticus, so its kinda understandable....

[no_hypocrisy]

7. And if you don't know, it is incumbent upon yourself to do research or ask

someone with more authority. Either you know or you don't. If you don't, you must find out.

[malaise]

25. She knows that she broke the law

That's why she opted for immunity. She fugging knew she had broken the law. She should pay big time. There is no fugging accountability anywhere in this Bushco administration.

[Ilsa]

2. I see it more as a little Two-Step, a dance as if she figures

they are still trying to nail her on something. At least, that is my first impression.

My second impression is that she thought she was doing "God's work" in Bush's* Administration, so how could it be wrong or illegal? She's in a state of denial. I almost feel sorry for her because Gonzo and others put this naive, inexperienced person into a position that could have landed her in jail or poor for the rest of her life. But she is a adult, and that was her choice, so she doesn't get any sympathy from me.

[DeSwiss]

9. Hmmm, that 2nd one I've heard before...

...the so-called "obeying a higher law" than the federal law. Which is precisely why we must keep religion out of government.

Maybe she needed to read the part in the bible that says: "You cannot serve two masters...."

[monmouth]

3. She is a template for "sheeple." n/t

[MADem]

5. I used to believe that "Crossing the Line" involved a fat guy dressed as King Neptune

on the high seas, with plenty of absurd costumes and rituals to mark the event.

Apparently, it's a girly voiced GOP euphemism for "Breaking the damned law."

[DeSwiss]

16. Think of what a commercial spot that'd make...

...in the 08' head-to-head presidential campaign if she had uttered the words:

"You broke the law?"

"Yes sir, I broke the law."

[uberllama42]

6. Gives me a pretty poor idea of Messiah College, as well

That's where she got her undergrad degree. It's really close to where I live, and one of my friends from high school goes there. I had a pretty good impression of the place until I heard that Goodling was an alumna.

It is a Christian school, and though my pal is a Christian he complains that if he doesn't go to 12 masses a semester, they will flunk him. That's an insult to his belief, he says. He doesn't need an attendence requirement to make him a good Christian.

[mwb970]

11. Extreme Christianity is ruining America.

This "spiritual" movement appears to me to be about fascistic mind control rather than love or peace or whatever they use to conceal their true motives.

Do "normal" Christians approve of the extremists in their midst? Do they really want our government to be taken over by theocratic Christian zealots? If not, why don't they say something instead of just mumbling scripture in a church for an hour a week?

Most Americans form their opinion about Christians from the words of their "leaders" - Falwell (thankfully gone), Robertson, Dobson. These words are un-American, un-Christlike words of hate and bigotry. When the public has a negative reaction, Fox Noise runs specials on "The War On Christians".

This is crazy. I'm so glad I don't have to grow up in this America. It's headed straight downhill.

[DeSwiss]

12. Sorry about your pal....

...but as the recently departed icon of all Fundies has previously said:

"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions." ~ Jerry Falwell

[A HERETIC I AM]

8. Like Bill Maher said the other day, I bet her attorney went to a REAL Law School. n/t

[KharmaTrain]

10. Has Anyone Ever Found Out If She Passed The Bar

The sad deal would be if she had been issued a license to practice law and in what state it's been issued. Several of us tried looking to see if she had passed the bar and haven't found anything.

[DeSwiss]

13. Yet, she's the kind of lawyer....

...that I'd want all Fundies to have representing them. That way hopefully, they'd all end up in jail....

[laheina]

17. That's a very good question.

And why wouldn't it surprise me if she hadn't?

[MADem]

21. She was one of the few from her class that passed on the first try NT

[momster]

14. Exhibition of Tap-Dancing

It's not that she's dumb. She just tried desperately to avoid telling Congress that "yes, it was illegal and I knew it but did it anyway, and I'd do it again if I had the chance". She managed to avoid saying those exact words which was the object of the exercise. So she chose looking like a moron over admitting that she's a venial wretch who wouldn't recognize the core ideals of her professed faith if they bit her on her Coulteresque tuchas!

[DeSwiss]

19. I agree...

...and she did what the Dems on the committee wanted most from her, pointing the fingers back at her bosses. That's the only thing that makes sense about giving her immunity to start with...

IMHO

[ProdigalJunkMail]

15. because no one who went to Harvard ever broke the law

look...this has nothing to do with the school she attended. It has everything to do with the fact that rules were broken because she thought she would either get away with it or when the time came, she would be backed-up. And all she is doing here is evading the question by some very simple word tricks which almost all politicians (and cross-examined criminal types with half-a-brain) use.

sP

[DeSwiss]

18. This has nothing to do with the school she attended...

...I beg to differ:

"Regent Law seeks men and women who are dedicated to becoming Christian leaders who will change the world for Christ."

http://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/admissions/home.cfm

[ProdigalJunkMail]

24. and that affects their legal education how?

so they are a Christian school. Doesn't mean they cannot teach and practice law...

sP

[ccpup]

26. you're right.

it doesn't mean that. The "law" they teach, though, is based on the belief that God's Law (via their "interpretation" of the Bible) is higher than Man's Law and, therefore, they should make legal decisions based on what they "understand" the Bible to be saying.

In other words, they're misinforming a whole generation or two of fledgling lawyers who will now go out into the World -- after their 3rd or 4th or 5th crack at The Bar -- and foist, in legal settings, their Christian beliefs on people who are seeking legal counsel. They'll ignore what they consider Man's Law -- ie. the rules and regulations that every one of us, I assume, generally follows day-by-day -- and make their decisions based on what God "says", which generally square with what the repug party would like them to do.

I have no doubt a Christian school COULD successfully teach law. But that's not what Liberty University was created to do. It was founded to place into positions of power those who believe in a Christian God and will remake the United States of America over, starting with the Courts, into a Christian Nation following "Christian Law".

[DeSwiss]

29. A little thing called....

...the "separation of church and state."

[ProdigalJunkMail]

30. and that means what?

you cannot have a law degree if you hold to religious beliefs? Or maybe no one with a religious thought can be in gov't service? Interesting thought pattern you have there...and you obviously have no idea what the establishment clause is about...

sP

[MADem]

22. Oooops....her boss ALBERTO went to Haaaaavid!!!! nt

[Zynx]

27. Actually, hiring a young lightweight for this position is very telling

There are plenty of much older, more experienced prosecutors who would have killed to have her job. If you really want to hire someone new, there are plenty of Chicago and Virginia grads who are just as right-wing, more intellectually grounded, and far more capable of holding thier own.

Instead, we get the conservative, slightly duller version of Miss Woods, except Miss Woods went to Harvard.

Goodling was pretty clearly picked ONLY because of where she went to school, and not for her brains - missing - or resume - non-exsistant. She happened to have gone to school at a known theocratic institution of poor objective metrics.

So why pick someone like that for a top job in the Justice department?

[tanyev]

20. This was my favorite mind-like-a-steel-trap part:

Heffelfinger also talked about Joan Humes, the lawyer who had been in charge of the civil division of the U.S. Attorney's office in Minnesota, and said he had recommended her as his interim replacement when he stepped down.

"She's an amazing lawyer, a great leader of people, and was the perfect person to serve as acting U.S. Attorney," he said.

Humes's name came up at the hearing in Washington, when Rep. Keith Ellison, the Democrat from Minneapolis, asked if she had been considered to replace Heffelfinger.

"You knew she was a Democrat, right?" he asked Goodling.

"I actually don't know she was a Democrat," Goodling said. "I did hear she was a liberal."
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=254809


How dare you imply that I threw away her resume because she was a Democrat! I threw her resume away because she was a liberal.

[DeSwiss]

23. She wouldn't throw the Democratic job candidate resume's away....

....I think she used the same mobile shredder company that Dick Cheney uses....


This Mid-Atlantic Shredding Services truck was spotted on 10/19/06 making its way up to the Cheney compound at the Naval Observatory.

[devilgrrl]

28. Legally Blonde