DIVIDE the Democrats, defund them, fuck them,..and if we do... Prepare for more GOP Victories

[opihimoimoi]

Don't vote, fuck um all....this is what the GOP wants us to do.....

They come to Divide us, discourage us, stick forks in us....

We supposed to know better but we don't....we let them freeps come in to sully our board with Crap....they denigrate our DU with BS but never do they suggest Positive answers...do they?..all they do is whine and blame...

Its a sick World and the PUBs make it even worse....

Their Ace...Bush... is a Hero to them....look all around us, he sucks....some kinda hero they got...a Loser Kinda guy....

[bluestateguy]

1. "but never do they suggest Positive answers...do they?"

I'm thinking right now of the British guy who used to host "Masterpiece Theater" when he would say "I-rony".

[rwheeler31]

8. Alister Cook

[leftupnorth]

2. No, what the GOP wanted is exactly what the Dems did today.

The resulting division is merely a happy consequence for them. If the Dems didn't want to fall into a GOP trap, and end up with a divided caucus and party, they shouldn't have voted for this piece of garbage.

But call me a troll if you want. The only thing worse than a fascist is a fascist enabler.

[magellan]

5. Yep.

The Dems shot themselves in the foot today. The GOP didn't have to do a thing but stand back and watch them do it.

[Mme. Defarge]

6. Their "Neville Chamberlain moment"

[erinmblair]

3. You know....

That's what I'm fearing. :(

We should always fight no matter what! If we want the war to end, we should do everything in our power to make it happen. I am lucky to live in a state represented by a fantastic Dem who is doing everything in her power to stop this war -- Lynn Woolsey.

[Gregorian]

4. Money. And destructive power.

They have the advantage. The unfair advantage.

The way I see it is we have a goal. We want to build something. The advantage they have is they can simply light a match and destroy that goal. It's easy.

But we have reality, truth, and human nature.

One cannot live by repub rules. Oh, wait, I'm wrong. 1 CAN live. ONE. I mean, only ONE. The king. The one who has the gold. And when repubs actually realize that, which may never happen since they're braindead, then they will realize that the Dems actually have a goal worth pursuing.

It's easy to be destructive.

So I've said nothing. What I should say is regardless of how destructive they are, we must keep building.

Right now it appears that we are just waking up to how we've been divided. The DLC was a wedge.

We have our work cut out for us. It's frustrating, and it's sad. And we're just the Americans. For the Iraqis it's really bad. You know, I say we do it for them, as well as us.

[Pushed To The Left]

7. K & R! I'm very disappointed in the Democrats today, but I'm also disappointed that some who voted

No are being attacked anyway!

[Dhalgren]

9. How about stop funding the occupation of Iraq? That positive enough for you?

There is huge support in this country for the Democrats in congress to do just that, but they didn't. They are still stuck on this idiotic "triangulation" crap. This country has gone way down the chute since that tactic was viable, but the Democratic Party doesn't get it. The first vote I ever cast was for McGovern in '72 and I have voted Democratic ever since, but I am sick to death of these quisling suits in congress and I am in no mood to talk about how we have to support them no matter what they do or how badly we get sold out. Check on me in a week or two, and I may have calmed down enough to pretend to see your side.

Peace, while you can...

[porphyrian]

10. We argue about things we agree on. What makes you think we're suddenly divided?

There's a difference between demanding our representatives do what we elected them to do with frustrated threats and handing the gop victory. You've been around for a while, you already know this.

[L. Coyote]

11. Ratf**kers are swamping DU with anti-Dem propaganda. We must be doing

something right. Could it be DU has become a real threat?

DU has recently become like Chicago '68 anti-war protest all over again, with over 50% infiltrators all in lock-step trying to make the Dems look bad. They suceeeded then. Don't let it happen here.

Don't fall for the BS and stone throwing. Get a little perspective.

Remember October 2005? Remember what was going on before January 2006??

Did you see the Judiciary hearings or not?

If you can fix everything overnight, I'll stop asking you to shut up with the bashing.

If you can do better, run for Congress, damnit!!!

[opihimoimoi]

13. Them Pubs had control for 6 years and what did we get? $4.00 gas is what we got..among other things

Vote RED to get $8.00 gas....?

Blue is all we got to fight this crap...divide us and the REDs win....We got only one team...and one team only...that has a chance to make things better....if we lose that Team...our Dem Pols...we are truly fucked....

[alfredo]

12. Should we say pretty please? Maybe that will make our Dems

grow a fuckin pair of balls.

[opihimoimoi]

14. Our Dems got Plenty BALLS...they got the COURAGE to change things for the better

How they go about it is the challenge...but they are going about making change....

Too Slow, too fast? I don't know///I am not in the business of micro managing.....

But so far....I do see changes being made despite the land mines the Pubs leave to stifle/stymie/slow us.

And btw, what Balls do them PUBs got? Nada, zero, puka, empty, nai, kaput, rien.....

[alfredo]

16. They (R's) don't need them, they have the MSM

They frame the issue and Fox, ABC, CBS, NBC, does the rest.

[opihimoimoi]

22. Mind Theft by Media Pysops...who woulda guessed>??

Damn, makes me wanna hit the bars....

But then...who would listen?

[alfredo]

41. It's too hot for alcohol. Anyway, I have a migraine. It's like having

a hangover without the drinking.

[tblue37]

23. They don't have a veto proof majority.

Even if all the supposedly Democratic members would vote together, they wouldn't have a veto-proof majority. But in their caucus they also have DINOs like Landrieu and "the Nelson twins," as well as outright traitors like Lieberman.

[opihimoimoi]

24. Smile as we go into 4th gear on the WALL....bring Hot Oil and Pikes

never let them Pubs into our Fort....they are like termites....

[demobabe]

15. exactly, opihi... k&r

Dems are disappointing, but where this whole mess is going is even worse.

[opihimoimoi]

19. No ONE suggested the effort to clean up this horrid Bush Crap was gonna be easy

So we get a set back....but what else do we do?? Divide and let the fucking pubs win...? Fine...eat the friggen $8.00 a gallon gas coming soon...fuck it all...

We had better understand our only op is to vote a strong Blue...no matter what...and beyond that...insist on astute Dem candidates...not stealth Pubs invading our Party...we had better learn to filter our peeps better or its all over...

[Hekate]

28. It's hard and it's going to get harder.Cornered Bush-animals are dangerous...

We are in for an even bumpier ride. Leahy, Waxman, Conyers are doing incredible work with their hearings exposing the corruption. The American people have abandoned Bush and the Publicans. Bush and Cheney and Rove are becoming more openly dangerous all the time.

I wish to the gods that the Congress would just IMPEACH them already before Dead-Eye Dick pulls the trigger on Iran!

Right now I'm mostly taking a personal mental-health break from thinking about what's going on in Washington. And I can't stand arguing with people who claim there's "no difference" between the Publican and Democratic parties.

Thanks for your OP, Opihi.

Hekate

[L. Coyote]

17. Clinton = The Good Old Days OR $1 gas and the only worry was sex!

All the damn whiners need to get a little perspective. This is what conservatives are saying now, "Those were the good old days, with $1 gas and nothing to worry about except sex in the Oval office."

[opihimoimoi]

20. Now they can look upon what they helped into Office...a mega Dufus

named Bush who is an OIL MAN...lo and behold...CHENEY is too...

Guess what?...Gas is $4.00 a gal and RISING

Caskets are arriving and RISING

Debt is way over the top ...and RISING....

National Deficit is also rising

In the old days, the only worry we had was Clintons dick rising

Gimme afucking break...them stealth freeps know not what they foist on us...even as it affects them too....its like a Selfdestruct Wish

[KingFlorez]

18. Of course that's what the GOP wants

And some people all to easily play into their hands.

[opihimoimoi]

21. Its one of the many negative ways they win elections...divide and conquer

They hardly ever describe positive paths to the Future...only Fear and BS...fuck them and their whiny ass polarity...of the minus type...

[autorank]

25. Reward for hard work, suffering.

There are lots of people who worked very hard for the Democrats who expected more.

There are lots of people who will suffer longer absent a robust Democratic opposition who need more.

Why should we fall lockstep behind vapid leadership. There is a majority in the House. Pass some
damn bills, set an agenda, make a statement. Make the Senate reject it, or if passed there, put Bush on
record as opposing reason and compassion.

We need new leadership in both chambers. I'm not in favor of showing up with torches or pitch forks
or giving any comfort to the opposition. In fact, their discomfort with the public abandonment of them
almost en masse is palpable. What did they haul out to squelch real statements from the opposition
party? Maybe nothing, maybe that's just the way they feel about Iraq.

To repeat a lie is to tell a lie. Congress tells the lie of Iraq by repeating the authorization of
the venomous policies of Bush.

Time to take the party back to the greatest - FDR and throw a big measure of TR's trust busting.

[WA98296]

26. More GOP...So What? The dems we've got in office are NO different.

[Hekate]

27. So...You voted for Nader, did you? nt

[opihimoimoi]

29. No Diff? Are you nuts? I beg to differ.....Americans have lost a lot under the R's

Loss of Rights

Higher middle class tax burden

$4 gas

Endless war

Endless National Deficit/Debt

Higher Threat

Higher Cost dealing with Threat...6 million more security guards/police/etc than 8 years ago....

Ignoring Global Warming ............losing window to slow it down

Lost Lives that shouldn't have..needless loss....under Pubs...too many

Loss of National "Charactor", Pride, Credibility, Respect, Honesty, Morals......, and ...more Americans are losing CONFIDENCE...Somehow, Bush has managed to fuck with the Confidence Level....

******************************************************************************************************************

Over the Years, it was the Dem Party that helped the Masses/Minorities/etc.....and held to the Notion of Making things for

the Common Good....

By Track Record alone...the Dems are the Best Bet....

[farmboxer]

30. Corporate Republican Mainstream News Media

is counting on getting their Republican bosses back in power. They want us to cut off our noses to spite our faces. However, I am still angry with Dems, but there is a smart way to make them pay without giving Republicans, upper one percent, rich snobs total power, which they have been working on. Notice how the media is playing this up? We can raise Hell and see what happens.....Dems are still the lesser of the two evils.

[radfringe]

31. after yesterday's vote on the Iraq funding

please tell me what's the difference between a GOP victory and a Dem cave-in?

We were promised a new direction - what we got is more of the same.

F**k-em - it's not that the Dems don't have the votes to impeach or over-ride a veto - they don't have the f**king balls.

If they won't stand up for themselves - how can I think they will stand up for me? Yeah, the PUBs make things worse, but the dems are enabling them to do it.

yeah, I'm pissed off and ranting and right now as far as I'm concerned the Dem party is just an auxillary wing of the republic party.

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[LittleClarkie]

32. I ain't fuckin' no one, and I ain't goin' noplace

except for the state convention where I'll be a delegate for the very first time.

[GeorgeGist]

33. Defense of ...

chickenshits is pathetic.

[Greeby]

34. Better idea, support the peace candidate in next month's special election

This is for California's 37th District: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/G07/CA.phtml#H37

http://www.jeffpriceforcongress.com/

WHAT I STAND FOR

Pro-peace: We need to get out of Iraq TODAY! George W. Bush has made a mess of Iraq and our troops are now being used as a buffer in a new Shi’i-Sunni Civil War. The War on Terrorism is being lost and our President will not budge from his “stay the course” policy. I believe that Congress should only appropriate money for efforts that would bring our troops home. Funding should only be used to help train and equip Iraqi security forces and to help shoulder the costs associated with an international peacekeeping force.

Meanwhile this is the party-endorsed candidate, who can't even be bothered to put up an issues section: http://www.oropeza4congress.com/

Primary is on June 26th

[JNelson6563]

35. Bravo opihimoimoi!

While I can completely understand the frustration (hey, I'm feelin' it too and it sucks!) what I find disappointing is what's being done with it. I see nothing beyond rants and declarations of abandonment.

Ok, with that said, what is the answer? IMO we need to get strategic about this.

Many on DU have commented on the role donations play and this is the place to start. Don't just pull your donations, target them. Find out who voted "no" and send your money to them. Let us greatly reward those who speak for us and send a cold, empty message to those who don't. We don't need to give the R's the satisfaction of bashing them ("them" being the Dems who disappoint) in order to effectively voice our displeasure. No, we can appear at least somewhat unified while still making ourselves known. Kinda like the look a mom can give to a kid without a word and yet communicate loud and clear, while no one else in the room is aware of anything. ;-)

Additionally we can look to our own back yards. Work within our own local parties, find local and state level candidates you like and join their efforts. We need to send good Dems up from the trenches via county and state level elected office. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to legitimately challenge some of the more disappointing Dems with primaries? Nothing will put the fear of Bob into a pol like having to fight for their political lives. We have to force these people to hear us and speak for us.

Let us remember those words of wisdom from Senator Paul Wellstone: Don't get mad, get organized.

Julie

[opihimoimoi]

38. Tons of Wine and Roses to Julie for a well written post

Ypu go Girl...

:toast:

Come, we go eat, smile, sing....laugh

[Blue_Roses]

40. well said!

but that makes too much sense for some here :crazy:

[MadHound]

36. As opposed to blindly rewarding them with our support, money and vote,

All while they continue to enable Bushco's wars, work against our best interest, and ignore the will of we the people. Thanks, but no. You have to hold people accountable for what they do, as in any other job. I am not going to blindly support anybody, no matter what they're doing, just because there is a D behind their name.

If a Democrat votes for this war in any way, shape or form, then they need to be held accountable. Failure on our part to do so will only encourage them to ignore the will of the people the next time and the next time etc. If you want change in government, then you've got to hold these people responsible for their actions.

Sorry, but no free pass.

[bigtree]

37. I saw the republican creep Howard Fineman was the first one going on and on

about Democrats 'caving',

I have no doubt that much of these criticisms, while certainly sincerely held by Democrats, is being fueled by the GOP. It's their standard tactic. They thought they could have the issue of 'hurting the troops' indefinitely because they didn't think the Democrats would come up with something that would aggravate their base. I'm glad they resolved the funding. It's out of the way and the question is squarely on timetables. For them or against them. That simple.

[opihimoimoi]

39. Yup, its Bushies War....not the Dems....

Like it or not, the Dems are our only hope for major change...

Whenever they falter, or appear to, the Pub Freeps come to denigrate, call us wimps an shit.

You see them do this when the Pubs fuck up????, and they fkd up for 6 friggen years..., no, of course not.

They want their power and if it take the effort to denigrate/confuse/hurt the Dem Party, then thats what they will do...and have done...

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. I've got news for ya

I came to that conclusion, that is they caved, WITHOUT the aid of the MSM

They did

And this is one of those rare momemts when the press is actually behind us, not ahead of us in their analysis