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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 05:41 AM
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US general McChrystal approved peace talks with fake Taliban leader
Julian Borger in London and Jon Boone in Kabul
guardian.co.uk, Friday 26 November 2010 18.06 GMT


Peace talks conducted with an impostor who posed as a Taliban leader, and which led to a meeting with Hamid Karzai in Kabul and thousands of dollars in "goodwill payments", were started by the Afghan government and approved by the former American commander, Stanley McChrystal, the Guardian has learned.

This account sharply contradicts claims made by the Afghan presidency, which has put the entire blame on Britain, apparently supported privately by US officials.

In fact, the overriding desire to find a negotiated end to the conflict, particularly on the part of David Cameron, appears to have generated credulity on all sides, and led to an embarrassing debacle that has lessened trust and set back hopes of meaningful negotiations in the near future.

Sources close to the contacts said the impostor, who claimed to be Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Mansour, the Taliban's deputy leader, was originally introduced by an insurgent commander in Kandahar to the then Afghan interior minister, Hanif Atmar.


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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 06:22 AM
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1. Another Mental Midget in Uniform
A colonel I once knew, said in speaking of the War and Fame in Viet-Nam

"Don't worry men --there's plenty of Glory for Everyone Here"
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 06:31 AM
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2. Ahhh, the ubiquitous "Glory"
Glory is about killing and being killed for corporate interests.

Like Smedley Butler said in "War is A Racket":

WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

In the World War (I) a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.

How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?

Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few – the selfsame few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill.



And the musclemen?

But the soldier pays the biggest part of the bill.

If you don't believe this, visit the American cemeteries on the battlefields abroad. Or visit any of the veteran's hospitals in the United States. On a tour of the country, in the midst of which I am at the time of this writing, I have visited eighteen government hospitals for veterans. In them are a total of about 50,000 destroyed men – men who were the pick of the nation eighteen years ago. The very able chief surgeon at the government hospital; at Milwaukee, where there are 3,800 of the living dead, told me that mortality among veterans is three times as great as among those who stayed at home.

Boys with a normal viewpoint were taken out of the fields and offices and factories and classrooms and put into the ranks. There they were remolded; they were made over; they were made to "about face"; to regard murder as the order of the day. They were put shoulder to shoulder and, through mass psychology, they were entirely changed. We used them for a couple of years and trained them to think nothing at all of killing or of being killed.

Then, suddenly, we discharged them and told them to make another "about face" ! This time they had to do their own readjustment, sans mass psychology, sans officers' aid and advice and sans nation-wide propaganda. We didn't need them any more. So we scattered them about without any "three-minute" or "Liberty Loan" speeches or parades. Many, too many, of these fine young boys are eventually destroyed, mentally, because they could not make that final "about face" alone.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 08:49 AM
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7. I know of the men he speaks of
I'm one of them
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 06:34 AM
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3. And, of course, he is a darling of the Republicons & TeaBaggers
As usual. RepubliCons luved them Commander AWOL Bush & Dickie 'Five Military Deferments' Cheney as they built an astonishing record of FAIL while enriching RepubliCorp mercenary enterprises. Of course they would luv them the FAIL & coverup of this Mental Midget in uniform....
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 08:32 AM
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4. When he wasn't covering up the death of Pat Tillman
He was making payments to a fake Taliban honcho.

Quite a busy boy there in Afghanistan.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 08:38 AM
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5. And don't forget, hiding prisoners from the Red Cross.
The parents at Yale must be proud of having this piece of work teaching their kids!
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 08:48 AM
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6. I wonder how much he came away with
money
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 09:47 AM
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8. More proof that nobody knows what the fuck goes on over there or how that country works. n/t
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