let it all collapse

[backwoodsbob]

I'm tired of the party vs party shit.You realize they BOTH play us for fools?

Let the whole system collapse..worldwide.I'll survive.

[bigwillq]

1. K and R

:bounce: :toast: :thumbsup: Couldn't agree more. Nice job.

[MrScorpio]

2. Are you serious?

I mean, really... What is the point of this?

[backwoodsbob]

4. yes I'm serious

let it all collapse

[ProSense]

5. It's the only thing left for people who hate the Democratic Party. They

can tolerate Republican control, but let the Democratic Party appear to be having some success and it's better to watch the world end.

[originalpckelly]

15. I'm having a yoda moment, but foreseen this I have.

Wrong have I been about timing, but foreseen it I have.

It's pretty clear that the whole thing is about to come to a head very soon. Hopefully, we can make it past Christmas, but who knows if something will happen on Thanksgiving.

[Odin2005]

30. Our DEMOCATIC president supports TSA GROPING and gave War Criminal Poppy the Medal of Freedom.

I refuse to support Kinder, Gentler Fascism.

[jonnyblitz]

32. pull your head out and the sand and get a fucking clue

already will ya? jesus fucking christ, there is NO "success", we are swirling the DRAIN!

[Flubadubya]

51. I'd give anything to see the Democratic party have some success...

but it seems there's been quite a paucity of that for the past two years!

I mean, what are we gonna do? The Left hates the Democrats, the Republicans hate the Democrats, the Tea partiers hate the Democrats!!

Nobody loves the Democrats anymore I guess except that small, narrow little number of "pragmatists" just to the right of center (maybe).

Oh wail and moan... it must be a lonely lot. Boo hoo!! :cry::cry:

[Warren DeMontague]

3. FUK YAH!!! Anarchy, Maaaaaaaaaaan!!!

:eyes:

[backwoodsbob]

6. feeding the rich is better?

fuck em.I have a not small amount available.let the system fall.

I have have LOTS of foodstuff here..fuck em...let the system collapse

[Warren DeMontague]

7. That's an extremely, extremely goofy attitude.

But unfortunately for you and your supply of canned goods, the system isn't going anywhere.

[backwoodsbob]

10. we have about 300 acres between us in family

when the talk is in the MILLIONS of pounds of food..let it all collapse...fuck it.

[11 Bravo]

16. Perfect! And all those shithead city dwellers ... FUCK 'EM!

Hell! Most of 'em ain't even real Murkins!

[Peacetrain]

26. self sanctimonious.. we got ours in the pantry.. screw the rest of you

live for the day everything will collapse... I remember Y2K and the gnashing of teeth by those who sat on their acres with their guns and battery charged refrigs.. waiting to fight off the hordes who would come in from the cities to watch them eat their turnips.. :sarcasm:

[originalpckelly]

11. One more straw and this shit collapses.

[Warren DeMontague]

12. Don't get too excited.

The shit isn't going anywhere.

[originalpckelly]

20. The elitists swept the problem under the rug of government...

that problem will get bigger, and it will eventually cause someone to trip. And when they do, all hell will break loose.

[Warren DeMontague]

37. Yes, yes, it's the arugula munching "elites" with their pesky proper punctuation and spelling.

[sufrommich]

31. Be prepared to defend your food from the starving hordes.

Maybe you should think this through. :think:

[Warren DeMontague]

38. And, to defend your brains from the starving zombie hordes.

[originalpckelly]

8. Sometimes you need a wildfire to clear out all the crap.

Let it burn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sY2rjxq6M

[madmax]

9. The lesser of two evils... nt

[jonnyblitz]

13. you still get evil nt

[madmax]

17. Yes, we do

How long do you think it would take to get a viable Third Party candidate that could win? Eight, 12 or more years? No snark - curious.

[TBF]

34. Everything is not electoral politics, and we know how they run these elections anyway.

Florida was a good wake-up call. It is a dog and pony show to convince people the deck is not stacked. Meanwhile, they are robbing us blind.

[BzaDem]

44. If that's true, what makes you think you will EVER fix that at any point? n/t

[bigwillq]

19. Bingo.

:thumbsup:

[TBF]

33. Which is the "lesser"? Look at the economy, the take-over by corporations,

the "homeland security" BS, and tell me one party is better than the other.

[rucky]

14. Which group is in the best position to fill a vacuum?

[Mojorabbit]

28. This is the problem

I have tea bagger family members that say the same thing as well as some disillusioned leftists. Who will come out on top? It could be a lot worse.
That said, I do think we are bumping up against finite resources and no one is planning ahead that I can see. It would not take much to push the world over the cliff at this point in time. The financial situation is still tenuous worldwide and could easily domino in a global collapse if things are not played just so.
I might have welcomed something like that when I was young but now I am hoping we can transition to a smaller growth system that keeps some peace and stability. I don't want to live in Somalia conditions.

edited to correct the spelling of tenuous

[NobodyHere]

18. Soooo

What happens after the system collapses?

[backwoodsbob]

21. why would I care?

fuck it

[backwoodsbob]

22. ok I dont really believe this

BUT I'm hearing this more and more here in the little corner of SW Va that i call home.

It scares THE SHIT out of me.

There are people who really think this way

[originalpckelly]

24. Aww man...

But I wanted to destroy this country and remake it in my own image. Darn! :P

[Ikonoklast]

40. Always seems people in the hinterlands are awaiting the coming Apocalypse.

I'm sure that they will survive it just fine, as everything else in the entire country goes down the tubes.

Some people believe that whatever might happen won't affect them, as they live their lives in some sort of insulated state immune to outside forces.

Hungry people won't necessarily observe your perceived property rights. And they will be hungry people with guns.




Me, I don't see Mad Max becoming reality any time soon.

[originalpckelly]

23. Dictatorship of the proletariat.

I say we form little councils all around the country and rule it via them. They would elect members to go off to some kind of Congress. We could call the councils "soviets" and we could call the country the Soviet Union. (That's been done already...)

Ooops...

[Subdivisions]

25. Yup...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9599759

[StarsInHerHair]

27. yeah but how to keep the movement of goods going

because some people need insulin, heart meds, etc. Is it possible, with all of today's technology, to continue to run the country, just minus the corrupted top?

[Odin2005]

29. The system is fucked up beyond redemption.

we cannot return to a supposed pre-Reagan idyll. the current socioeconomic system MUST FAIL so a new one can rise from the ashes.

[Ikonoklast]

36. And every nation that went down that path, throughout history, ended up with a dictatorship.

"Let It Fail" is the mantra of those that won't stay and fight to save what is worth saving.

And the worst part of it is, those that can least afford to see this government and economy fail would be the hardest hit.

The wealthy elite would just jet off to Luxembourg and live out the rest of their days in luxury, as the rest of us deal with social and political anarchy.

Yeah, let it fail, that's the ticket.



Just be prepared to be one of those on the short end of the stick. Don't think for one hot second that you'd be on of the lucky ones that would be immune.

[Odin2005]

39. It's IF, it's WHEN, and the longer it is put off the worse the pain will be.

The current system is unsustainable ecologically, socially, and morally.

[BzaDem]

43. What makes you think the newer system won't be MORE ecologically/socially/morally unsustainable? n/t

[Tsiyu]

35. I can't say that with a clear conscience

but I think we are headed for a breakdown whether we expect or anticipate one or not.

The only thing that will save us now is human beings getting together and talking about more than just whom they hate today.

People have survived - without all the wipes and wheels and woopdees we have now - for a long time, but the most successful ones worked together.

I don't see most americans wanting to worry about more than where they left their cellphones these days, so I'm not holding out much hope for vast change, mind you.

I just believe it's possible.

[bvar22]

41. Nobody is completely self-sufficient.

People living in rural areas will be able to avoid starvation, but life will still be pretty grim.
Here is some 1st person info from someone who lived through the Economic Collapse in Argentina.

"Of course that those that live in the country and have some land and animals were better prepared food-wise. No need to have several acres full of crops. A few fruit trees, some animals, such as chickens, cows and rabbits, and a small orchard was enough to be light years ahead of those in the cities.

Chickens, eggs and rabbits would provide the proteins, a cow or two for milk and cheese, some vegetables and fruit plants covered the vegetable diet, and some eggs or a rabbit could be traded for flower to make bread and pasta or sugar and salt.
<snip>

After all these years I learned that even though the person that lives out in the country is safer when it comes to small time robberies, that same person is more exposed to extremely violent home robberies. Criminals know that they are isolated and their feeling of invulnerability is boosted. When they assault a country home or farm, they will usually stay there for hours or days torturing the owners. I heard it all: women and children getting raped, people tied to the beds and tortured with electricity, beatings, burned with acetylene torches.

<snip>
The solution is to stay away from the cities but in groups, either by living in a small town-community or sub division, or if you have friends or family that think as you do, form your own small community.

Some may think that having neighbors within "shouting" distance means loosing your privacy and freedom, but it's a price that you have to pay if you want to have someone to help you if you ever need it. To those that believe that they will never need help from anyone because they will always have their rifle at hand, checking the horizon with their scope every five minutes and a first aid kit on their back packs at all times.... Grow up"

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/10.08/tshtf1.html

The collapse in Argentina was small scale and short duration compared to what could happen here.

In 2006, my Wife & I moved to a very rural area of The South, and began living as sustainably and independently as possible. We are attracted to the sustainable lifestyle. :hippie:

While we do produce a good percentage of our own food, we don't suffer from the delusion that we can produce everything.
We will never be able to grow our own coffee, wheat, chocolate (a necessity :)), salt, antibiotics (medicines), etc.

We live this way because we love it,
and pray the a collapse does NOT happen.
Life would be pretty grim around here, especially during Winter.
I would prefer not being forced to eat Possum to survive (though I've heard that it tastes a lot like chicken).

The point is,
if a collapse happens, life for you and your family WILL be harder and more dangerous too...in ways you haven't yet considered. It is foolish to romanticize a little self-sufficient paradise for you and your family if a real collapse happens. The are people who will come and take it from you....probably some of your "neighbors" who don't grow their own food.

The best thing that can happen for you (and us) is that the World manages to squeak by and avoid a collapse.
The economy recovers nicely, and you can continue to live your independent lifestyle taking comfort in the knowledge that you are producing MORE than you are consuming.

My Wife & I are thankful every day that we have been blessed with the opportunity to live this way.
We wish NO harm, hard times, or discomfort to anyone, especially ourselves.


Less IS More!

[laughingliberal]

47. I am glad you posted this. Especially the part about Argentina.

That is the scenario I see us heading for and the only way around it I see is to get some kind of real help out here in the real economy.

People who just want to point fingers and call everyone who is screaming for Obama to act like a Democrat a 'hater' do not see what we really need is many Democrats to join with us to push him. They also do not realize that whatever comfortable life they think they have ahead of them is gone if we continue down this path we're on.

Few in this country will know how to survive the type of calamity that we are moving towards.

And I'm willing to bet there were people who didn't see it coming in Argentina and they were accusing those who did of overreacting.

[bvar22]

49. If you have some time,

go read what this guy has to say about living in Argentina during their economic collapse.
It is sobering.

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/10.08/tshtf1.html

[laughingliberal]

50. Yes. I read that last night after seeing your post.

Sobering, indeed.

More sobering was finding an explanation on one site of the conditions in the country that led to the collapse. We're standing at the precipice, I think.

[Scurrilous]

42. Yeah!!

:kick:

[TexasObserver]

45. No, it's not going to collapse.

Be glad that it won't. You say you would survive, but I'm not sure you realize what your life would be like if it all collapsed.

[hfojvt]

46. I've hear that before

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4s0nzsU1Wg

However, if you perhaps care about some other people, there would be lots of people who would not survive.

[blindpig]

48. Well, despite it's inherent instability it won't collapse on it's own..

Capitalism is in survival mode, the ever more destructive 'business cycle' wobbles but they keep propping it up, on our backs. And they will continue to do so, until we, the people, stop them. That ain't gonna happen in the 'halls of power', it can only happen in the street.

Tear it all down.

[blondeatlast]

52. Grover Norquist (hearts) backwoodsbob. nt

[Dogtown]

53. Nailed it, blondeatlast.

:applause:

[LanternWaste]

54. I don't really think it's a zero-sum game reduced to an either/or outcome...

"Let the whole system collapse..worldwide.I'll survive." I have little doubt you believe you would. I would bet $10.00 that many people believe they are the main character when they read badly-written, hack-authored, dystopian science-fiction paperbacks and project that onto non-fiction.

However, as I'm not very clever, I don't really think it's a simply zero-sum game reduced to an either/or outcome. I imagine there are multiple and sometimes inconvenient solutions to raise us above this static flat-line we seem to be on.