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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 06:01 PM
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Not that it will help, after all I am NOT a corp
but I just called my Congress critter and expressed my "delight" at the latest TSA joke, and suggested that they can the backscatters and hire the Israelis to actually move to an actual security environment instead of the theater.

No, I don't count, but when AA and the rest squeal about losses... then they will.

For the record the House voted them down... but the TSA went ahead and bought them anyway...
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 06:06 PM
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1. Funny thing. Dad has to fly in to Phoenix from Denver this Sunday
And he asked me about the security in Denver. I said "Good luck". I'll be asking him when he gets back from his one-day trip (business-related).

Hawkeye-X
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 06:07 PM
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2. Dress comfortably
I suspect they will be gone... not long from now... no, not because of you and me...
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 06:36 PM
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3. The Israelis use profiling, including racial and religious profiling.
That would never be acceptable here -- or even workable, in such a diverse country with so many airports.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 06:41 PM
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4. Yes it would, but you keep telling yourself that.
Theater is not security.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 06:49 PM
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5. The ACLU has been vehemently opposed to it when it's been
Edited on Thu Nov-18-10 06:53 PM by pnwmom
suggested in the past.

Most progressives, at least, would have a serious problem with racial and religious profiling.

For example, this is a lawsuit the ACLU filed against what Logan airport was calling "behavioral profiling" -- but was really disguised racial profiling.

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-massachusetts-challenges-use-behavioral-profiling-logan-airport


BOSTON -- The American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts today filed a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of a so-called "behavioral assessment" program adopted by the Massachusetts Port Authority and the Massachusetts state police to stop and detain people for questioning at Logan Airport.

"This program is another unfortunate example of the extent to which we are being asked to surrender basic freedoms in the name of security," said John Reinstein, Legal Director of the ACLU of Massachusetts. "This allows the police to stop anyone, any time, for any reason."

The lawsuit was filed on behalf of King Downing, the National Coordinator of the ACLU's Campaign Against Racial Profiling, who was approached by law enforcement officials after arriving at Logan Airport on October 16, 2003 to attend a meeting on racial profiling in Boston. Upon arriving at the airport, Downing, an African-American who wears a short beard, left the gate area and was making a phone call in the public terminal when he was stopped by a state police trooper who demanded that he produce some identification. When Downing declined to do so without knowing the basis for the request, he was first told that he would have to leave the airport. However, when he attempted to leave the terminal building, Downing was stopped again, surrounded by four troopers and told that he was being placed under arrest for failing to produce identification. When Downing finally agreed to produce his driver's license, the troopers then demanded to see his airline ticket. Downing was told by the police that he could be barred from the airport if he did not cooperate. After the police inspected Downing's identification and travel documents, he was allowed to leave. No charges were ever filed against him.

"This is a dangerous extension of police power," said Downing. "I was stopped and held for no legal reason by armed State Police troopers. I was told I could not leave unless I proved who I was and why I was at the airport, and that if I did not cooperate, I would be arrested or banned from the airport. This is racial profiling, and not the action of a government that stands for freedom and the rights of all its people."
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 07:01 PM
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6. So the progressive attitude is to cancel
An ammendment?

And here is a clue...airports abroad are not using these things...

The European Union considers this a human rights violation.

You keep telling yourself this...

Hey I cannot wait for the EU review to be over. It would be fun if they did (and it is coming) what we have done in the past.

"you don't meet our standers you can't fly into our airspace"

I got the snicky that the sysmte will be rolled back. Human rights come to mind... You keep telling yourself you like it...
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 07:08 PM
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7.  In Israel, they use body and strip searches
whenever they feel the need to after their "behavioral profiling."

I have no idea what amendment you're talking about canceling. Or what you think the EU says is a human rights violation.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 07:18 PM
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8. They do in Germany and Mexico too
As well as Itsly and Colombia...it is called PROBABLE CAUSE...

And for the ammendment read my sig.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 07:25 PM
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10. It's not called "probable cause" in Israel.
It's called "whenever they want."
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 07:29 PM
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12. Wrong but keep believing whatever you want
You know the saying by now...so not worth repeating...
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 07:24 PM
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9. LOL. Do you live in an airport? Does anyone make you fly? n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 07:26 PM
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11. That IS a RW, aka FOX talking point
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 07:39 PM
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13. I wouldn't know about that since I don't watch Faux. n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 07:47 PM
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14. Just pointing it out.
I don't either...
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