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redirish28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 10:46 PM
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10 years later and what do we find. Fear-mongering and freedoms being taken away.
After 9/11 we found ourselves being frighten into given up our freedom, our common sense, and our privacy.


We have laws that makes US citizens of the United States -who are just trying to live our lives--treated like and in some cases suddenly become criminals.


Reason and logic are thrown out the door.


We find that the government can still:

Wiretap us without giving us cause.

We have the freedom of information act being "land-mind" by the phrase "protected by National Security"

We are finding that Corporations are trying to undermined Net neutrality. (But one needs to wonder if corporations win and are allowed to make the internet pay-for-use. How much data will be compiled and eventually used against citizens by the government?)

Speaking of Corporations they seem to be all willing to collect our information and just hand it over to the government. remember At&T and all those other phone companies who collected all the information from us? They won we can't sue them! What's to stop the government from going to your employer or my employer and saying we need all the information you have on your employees?

We have a no fly list that seems to be used only to inconvenience those who speak out for what the government is doing or parents with children. To this day has anyone on the no fly list WHO WAS ACTUALLY A THREAT TO THE U.S. ever been stopped from getting on a plane?

We now have all these rules and regs to get onto a plane and pat downs and x-ray scanners which are another invasion of a persons privacy and yet we have people WILLING to go through that humiliation to get on a plane?

When people STOP using the planes when will we see these procedures to get on Amtrak or Greyhound?

When do we say enough already and start saying NO 9/11 is not going to be your magic word to fear me into doing something I've never done before.

When are we going to start saying no I'm not going to let a corporation have my personal data.


(a little rant from Redirish's wife.)

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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 10:50 PM
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1. Bush's legacy
Obama's cave.

Props to your wife.


In the spirit of Crazy Horse


tt
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Walk dont run Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 02:53 AM
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2. Obama campaigned against the patriot act
Power corrupts. As I write this we own the Senate, the W.H., the house of representatives. And what do we get?

Are these people listening to us? What the heck!

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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 03:08 AM
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3. I am a lifelong Dem and tonight
I find this ballsy response to the TSA from Rand Paul delivered on the House floor. Why aren't the Dems out in front of this instead? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjPAzP6Y4Y4

What the hell has happened to our Democrats?


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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 03:51 AM
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5. And we wonder why the population is so confused.
Philosopher Walter Benjamin (not to mention Leon Trotsky) warned that when the left is disorganized and invisible, the right will suck up all the populist energy into pre-fascist organizing. That's why I believe that weak, capitulating, and/or corrupt people who call themselves "left" are as or more damaging than the obvious known enemy.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 05:48 AM
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7. +++
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 07:44 AM
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11. Lacking a strong left -
we've got to build it and make up for a lost generation. McCarthyism has certainly taken it's toll. We now find ourselves 100 years back in history - at war, economy in shambles, with most of the wealth concentrated in the hands of a few. Communists were very active here in the 1920s-30s - so much so that FDR passed the New Deal legislation in reaction to their efforts. Pretty much saving capitalism in doing so. Obama, on the other hand, has set up committees to cut social security and medicare. This can't end well.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 07:51 AM
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13. Exactly.
:applause:

And this is why they had to take over the Democratic Party, had they stayed in the republik party it would have given people a choice and that never works out for the parasites.


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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 08:26 PM
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14. Exactly why they are hired by corporate media and backed by corporations in politics.
"...weak, capitulating, and/or corrupt people who call themselves "left" are as or more damaging than the obvious known enemy"
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 08:28 PM
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15. +1
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 04:04 AM
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6. this is ron paul the father
who is much more libertarian than his son
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 06:04 AM
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8. Party realignment seems to be going on right now.
It has happened before. It seems to be happening again. I got no other explanation. That's the only one that seems to fit.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 07:45 AM
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12. Others have voiced that opinion -
I think it's correct. Democrats are becoming the party of the status quo, republicans are figuring out how to talk populism.
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ProgressiveLiberal Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 03:48 AM
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4. K&R for Truth !
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Countdown_3_2_1 Donating Member (778 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 07:36 AM
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9. One phone call from Obama can fix this.
"Napalitano, Cut the crap. No more pat downs, cut the scanners. This is an order from your chief executive."

Leadership. Its what we elect our people to do. Govern with the consent of the governed.
If the people do not like this, then our leaders need to change it. End of story.

If scanners and pat downs are still a part of the landscape in 2012, it will be used against the Democratic party. Leaders need to respond to the outrage NOW, not later.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 07:42 AM
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10. and when our leader betrays us, it is time to take hold of our own power
Simply do not submit. If that means don't fly, then don't effing fly. Unless your job requires it (and we expect people to continue to feed their families if they can), DO NOT FLY.

It really is that simple. If you can't afford to drive or take the train or the bus -- stay home.

Simply DO NOT FLY.

Make the videos go viral so as many people as possible see what they will be subjected to, so they too can make the decision in advance instead of finding themselves groped and humiliated.

And DO NOT FLY.
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