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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 05:30 PM
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3 Dem policy think tanks urge more "bipartisanship", say we lost because...
our party tried to appeal to the liberal wing of the party. Some use the word liberal, some imply...but the meaning is clear.

These three think tanks, the DLC, the Third Way, and PPI, all came out right after the election to point out our party's mistake in not appealing more to the middle, the moderates.

All that right after many of the party's most "bipartisan" members lost their elections, right after some of our best liberals lost their elections. And there was nothing "liberal" about any of it. We lost to a lot of people who were standing up and shouting about things they were not even able to articulate.

We lost because we did not clearly explain to the people what we really stand for as Democrats. We tried to be too much like the other side.

They voted for people who do not care about their best interests. They voted for them because we did not stand up and loudly and clearly point out who these people were that they were electing.

That Rick Scott and Marco Rubio could win in my state without Democrats shouting to the rooftops that they were not worthy of such high office, that Allen West could win here..how did that happen?

Read the policies of these 3 think tanks, our policy setters. Our Democratic leaders, including our president, are following them to a letter.

Let's start with Harold Ford's article for Politico, crossposted at the DLC website. He is chairman of that group. Harold Ford in 2008 said the presidential nominee would use their group as their policy shop. He was right.

What a title he gave his article.

Yes, we can collaborate

The late Democratic Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, a politician and scholar, said a decade ago: “If you want to accomplish something big, you need to compromise big.” Americans are unhappy with politicians who prefer partisan bickering to getting things done. It is time, right now, for both parties to change their approach and work together to look for and achieve constructive solutions.

In that spirit, here are two ideas Democrats and Republicans should reach agreement on immediately to help the economy:

First, cut taxes on businesses and consumers. This can be done immediately by extending all the Bush tax cuts for 24 months — except the inheritance tax, which should be left at its 2009 rate. The corporate tax rate should be slashed in half, to 17.5 percent for two years; and the payroll tax should be suspended for six months for every business and its workers.


That "compromise big" talking point should be tossed. The other side has shown for two years that they will not compromise. Yet our party is letting these two smirking yahoos float their ideas to cut Social Security without a single Democrat saying hell no they will not do that.

Next let's look at the Third Way's idea of how to be more moderate. This is the group the DLC says just sends out memos on how to talk about DLC policy. The Third Way was founded by Bill and Hillary Clinton, Tony Blair and others in the late 90s.

After Bill Clinton and Tony Blair finish with the elegant dinners and toasts at the G-8 summit this week in England, the real fun begins: the two leaders will lock themselves in a room with a clutch of top officials to talk about government policy for four or five hours. The Sunday meeting at Chequers, the Prime Minister's country mansion north of London, will be the third such bilateral seminar, following one at the White House, when Blair visited in February, and the inaugural 12-hr. "wonkathon" at Chequers in November, when Hillary Clinton sat in for her husband.

The lofty chatfests symbolize the intimate political relationship between Clinton, a "new Democrat," and Blair, creator of new Labour. Each claims to embody a type of politics that is not just a poll-driven centrism but a "third way," a favorite Blair slogan and a phrase that Clinton highlighted in this year's State of the Union message. "Both governments have to react to challenges like globalization and better education for workers, and we have similar perspectives on what's needed," says White House aide Sidney Blumenthal, who organizes the meetings with his British counterpart, David Miliband, Blair's policy chief.

On the agenda for Chequers are social security, welfare, crime, health policy and education, with eight to 10 participants from each side.

Third Way Wonkfest


More who were there for the formation:

In 1998, with First Lady Hillary Clinton, From began a dialogue with British Prime Minister Tony Blair and other world leaders, and the DLC brand -- known as The Third Way -- became a model for resurgent progressive governments around the globe. In April 1999, he hosted an historic Third Way forum in Washington with President Clinton, Prime Minister Blair, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, Prime Ministers Wim Kok of the Netherlands and Massimo D'Alema of Italy.


Here is the Third Way's ideas on how we Democrats can stay relevant. Written right after the election in which we lost our bipartisan asses to a far right screaming crowd that wasn't sure what we stood for at all.

How the Democrats can stay relevant

After sweeping to congressional majorities in 2006 and electing a president in 2008 with the largest Democratic percentage of the popular vote since Lyndon B. Johnson, Democrats are now in danger of becoming an irrelevant party.

With their control of the Senate and White House, of course they’ll remain central to the public debate over the next two years. But the liberal cognoscenti who dominate the Democratic Party have proclaimed that Tuesday’s debacle was caused by President Barack Obama and a Congress that didn’t move far enough left. If this argument prevails, it’s Mondale-vile for Democrats for a long time.


OMG the "liberal cognoscenti"....who let them in the door?

Returns show, once again, that the voters who drive elections are self-identified moderates and independents, and largely middle class. They ran for the hills this cycle.

The stampede was fueled not only by anxieties over a troubled economy but by independents’ continued search for a political party that governs from the center. After rejecting Sen. John McCain – and the Bush legacy – as too right wing, and supporting Obama by 8 points, these restless Independents voted against Democratic gubernatorial candidates by more than 30 points in 2009. And they continued to flee from Democrats yesterday.

To woo them back, reclaim the center and assure electoral and governing relevance in 2012 and beyond, Democrats must make a big change: become the economic growth party. They must shift from being a party that seeks an expanded safety net to one obsessed about increasing the economic pie.


The teabaggers were looking for a "political party that governs from the center?"

No, they most assuredly were not.

And do you see that "expanded safety net" talking point? That is exactly what we do need in these perilous times. And these think tanks know it. They are simply espousing the corporate view.

The PPI now presents their opinions on moving right at a blog called The Progressive Fix. They use the word liberal several times, and not in a nice way.

The Geography – and Demography – of Defeat

By who else...that nemesis of liberals everywhere...Will Marshall.

Many liberal commentators, echoing Thomas Frank, have argued that blue collar voters’ antipathy to Democrats reflects their cultural conservatism. GOP demagoguery on “values” has blinded these voters to the reality that Democrats are on their side on economic issues. But the conspicuous absence of “God, guns, and gays” from the 2010 elections actually make them a pretty good test of this proposition. This time, there’s no question that blue collar voters rejected Democrats on economics rather than values.


I have to agree that they rejected Democrats, but I disagree with Marshall as to why. We did not speak out clearly enough for the things we believed in, and they were overwhelmed by the shouting from the other side.

The next paragraph shows me how they are going to blame us for wanting regulation restored to big business.

Incredibly, however, some liberals are contemplating a blizzard of new federal regulations with the purported aim of putting Democrats on the side of the middle class by demonizing Wall Street banks and big business. The last thing blue collar Americans need is an economic morality play in which they are cast as victims. What they need, and what progressives owe them, is not a condescending populism, but a practical plan for economic success.


See that? Using the word "condescending" just before the word "populism". They really are very good at this word play stuff.

Howard Dean said the GOP won big this time by using the same tactics he advocated in his 50 state strategy.

I think he is right. He said we had to go to the people in red states who were not used to talking to Democrats, and we needed to tell them what we believed.

If we follow the advice of the "policy shops" we are going to lose again in 2012. And it will be a dangerous thing.


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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 05:32 PM
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1. our party is being hijacked by republican appeasers and grovellers. disgusting nt
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 05:33 PM
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2. "is being"? Look again, it already has been.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 06:09 PM
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7. was and is - time to ditch the right for good
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 02:56 AM
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18. You should've stopped at the word Republican and added an "s".
There's your answer.
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 08:44 AM
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104. bill clinton and bush senior destroyed both parties.
What are their pictures together supposed to prove? They are equal opportunity fascists? Hillary goes all over the world insulting everybody but ruthless dictators. And we are supposed to like her for that? Rahm Emmanuel insults the dem. base repeatedly. And what kind of leadership is that, besides stupid? Don't think even programmed electronic voting machines can win people like them another elected office.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 05:34 PM
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3. DLC = Democratic Liability Central
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 06:27 PM
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74. Demagogues of the Leisure Class. (nt)
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:50 PM
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88. Ohhh, that is very good! And they are taking a page from the RW handbook... projecting the
liability onto us!

:thumbsup:
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 05:46 PM
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4. Aren't the PPI and Third Way the same? Along with the DLC, they might as well be called...
Edited on Fri Nov-12-10 06:36 PM by polichick
Demicorp imo - kissin' cousins of Republicorp.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 06:13 PM
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73. Third Way Foundation (Sourcewatch)
The Third Way Foundation .. is an umbrella organization of New Democrats. The Progressive Policy Institute, the affiliated think tank of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), is a project of the foundation ... http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Third_Way_Foundation

Different front groups with different names for one and the same gang of rightwing shills pretending to be liberals, all funded by the same sources
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 06:33 PM
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75. The PPI seems to be responsible for polluting
the meaning of the word "Progressive."

Let me just say that the Progressive Policy Institute is to Progressivism as the Democratic Republic of Congo is to democracy.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 06:01 PM
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5. Facepalm. n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 07:27 PM
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8. Me, too. We need an avatar for that.
:hi:
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 06:06 PM
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6. Is there any thinking going on in those think tanks? Or are they just whorehouses
Edited on Fri Nov-12-10 06:10 PM by somone
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 08:37 PM
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9. Women's reproductive rights, DADT, education,....
high end tax cuts, traditional safety nets. All of those things we have compromised on, caved on...to an extremist right wing.

Now the centrist think tanks say we need to do more of it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 09:59 PM
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10. I forgot Evan Bayh's paean to centrism in the NYT Nov. 2
He must have prepared this well in advance.

I hate to tell him but very few people identify themselves as liberals on any kind of polls, much less exit polls. It leaves them open and vulnerable to attack.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/03/opinion/03bayh.html?_r=1

"It is clear that Democrats over-interpreted our mandate. Talk of a “political realignment” and a “new progressive era” proved wishful thinking. Exit polls in 2008 showed that 22 percent of voters identified themselves as liberals, 32 percent as conservatives and 44 percent as moderates. An electorate that is 76 percent moderate to conservative was not crying out for a move to the left."

He actually has the nerve to say that our party was too deferential to its base.

"And we were too deferential to our most zealous supporters. During election season, Congress sought to placate those on the extreme left and motivate the base — but that meant that our final efforts before the election focused on trying to allow gays in the military, change our immigration system and repeal the George W. Bush-era tax cuts. These are legitimate issues but unlikely to resonate with moderate swing voters in a season of economic discontent."

And the usual seize the center stuff.

"Having seen so many moderates go down to defeat in this year’s primaries, few Republicans in Congress will be likely to collaborate. And as the Republicans — including the party’s 2012 presidential candidates — genuflect before the Tea Party and other elements of the newly empowered right wing, President Obama can seize the center.

I’m betting the president and his advisers understand much of this. If so, assuming the economy recovers, President Obama can win re-election; Democrats can set the stage for historic achievements in a second term. The extremes of both parties will be disappointed. But the vast center yearning for progress will applaud, and the country will benefit."

I can not believe how our party leaders manipulate words to make we keep up with the other party as they move right.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 12:36 AM
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11. The very word "bipartisanship" makes me want to hurl
What's the point of having two parties if they take the same position on everything? If that's a desirable outcome, they should just merge and get it over with.

The corporate media have spent years spreading the lie that leftist commentators and Democrats in general are as whacko as the right-wing commentators and Republican superstars and have created the meme about needing to meet in the middle.

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 02:56 AM
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19. And 91% of Americans self identify as middle class. n/t
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 01:27 AM
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12. Kicked but NOT recommended!
Not out of regard for the opinions of the DLC "centrists"; quite the contrary! but I reject the implied assumption that Obama is pliant tool of that gang.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 01:39 AM
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13. I did not say that. However read their policies.
Our party is following them right down the line.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 01:58 AM
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14. Oh Boo Hoo!
You hurt my feelings!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 02:01 AM
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15. Oh geez
:eyes:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 02:46 AM
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17.  Wow.Substantive response.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 02:59 AM
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20. The "substance" was in my original posting.
n/t
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 03:03 AM
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21. I thought it was rather substantive considering. n/t
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 09:11 AM
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33. Recess is over; but you can still play on the monkey bars;
While the (0) chorus band plays on.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 09:33 AM
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41. Here's some more "substance" (from an earlier posting of mine on DU)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4612741&mesg_id=4613097

Perhaps YOU would like to respond to that with some "substance" of your own? No?? Hmmmmm!
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 06:04 AM
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23. No, he's the leader of the pack.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 08:38 AM
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29. + a million
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 09:27 AM
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38. X to the nth power.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 02:04 PM
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55. Who said pliant?
He seems downright enthusiastic about carrying out their policies.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:24 PM
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80. I know, it took me a while to give in to that notion, too.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 02:45 AM
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16. That plan has failed. Tried that for 2 years and lost big already.
Conservative Dems lost a lot more seats than progressive Dems.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 03:07 AM
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22. They don't cqre if they lose. Their objective isn't to win or lose, it's to take over
and make sure both parties represent the same interests. Then it doesn't matter which party holds office, they win in the end and their bread will always be buttered.

I'ts not too late to fight these insidious snakes but every day makes it harder.
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Kltpzyxm Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 08:28 AM
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27. When we lose,
they win.

Follow the $$$$$$$$$$
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 08:40 AM
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31. exactly - it's not about "Dems" and "Rs"
It's class warfare, plain and simple. We should just stop buying into this "D" and "R" narrative - it's nothing but a deception and a distraction.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 09:31 AM
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40. Fuckin A!
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 06:11 AM
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24. Those "Stink Tanks" are crazy
Edited on Sat Nov-13-10 06:13 AM by BlueJac
it is all about corporate power. Everyone should just admit the truth!
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BaltimoreDemocrat Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 08:04 AM
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25. As I see it....
...true compromise with the republicans is impossible. Their idea of "compromise" is doing what they want to do. Period.
The other issue is the republicans have swung so far to the right the middle is still pretty far right. From the gop perspective, that's like asking for $15,000 when you really want 9 or 10...
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 08:17 AM
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26. Yep, there it is, regular as a clock,
The Dems lose and *poof* here are these idiots ready and willing to move the party to the right, again, like they have been for the past thirty plus years.

This is exactly how the Democratic party lost me, the party moved so far to the right that now instead of being a mainstream Democrat, somehow I'm a radical liberal.

The thing is, there is no real substantial evidence that shows these moves to the right actually are a winning deal for the Democrats. But it's what their corporate masters want, so it is what they do.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 08:31 AM
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28. ...
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 09:18 AM
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35. Wow! Where did you find that picuture of Winston Churchill? nt
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 08:38 AM
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30. I say bipartisanship is the only option we have
...if we want peace in our time.



:sarcasm:
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 09:21 AM
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36. Good one...Neville is exactly the right image. nt
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 08:41 AM
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32. Our democrats need to reach across the aisle
and slap the shit out of the republicans.

That's the only bipartisan crap I approve of.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 09:13 AM
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34. the democratic party is deceased
Edited on Sat Nov-13-10 09:30 AM by spanone
we lost the midterms trying to compromise with the opposition, have think tanks ever been this wrong?

how do you compromise with a party that says 'no'. you don't
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 03:15 PM
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59. killed by the DLC cancer.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 09:26 AM
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37. enough! your chocolate ration is reduced by thirty grammes, beginning next week. and...
it's going to cost you out the ass, too

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/business&id=7775585

nothing could be worse
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 09:29 AM
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39. The Borg have come for your party.
Edited on Sat Nov-13-10 09:31 AM by Jakes Progress
Resistance is futile.

Resistance and rebellion is the only way to win. It is the only sane and moral thing to do. Problem is that it is still futile. Short of insurrection and a general flowering of sudden knowledge, the fait is accompli.
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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 09:39 AM
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42. I dislike them more than Republicans. They anger me so much words fail.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 09:40 AM
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43. So do I - at least the republicans are honest about their intentions.
nt
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 03:16 PM
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61. Same here. The only thing worse than a neocon is a neocon enabler.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 10:17 AM
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44. How do I change my political affiliation
to Socialist?
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 10:44 AM
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45. Nah
Can't swallow this one.
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The Uncola Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 10:54 AM
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46. Idiots, all of 'em....
.. or more likely, pushing the same corporate agenda as the Republicans. They need to be sent back across the aisle where their owners are.
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dreamnightwind Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 10:54 AM
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47. Corporations
Corporations pay for these think tanks.

I've heard their reasoning. They say the Blue Dogs are the ones that lost because Democrats forced them to vote for unpopular too-far-left legislation that left them vulnerable in their conservative districts.

My version is people didn't see Dems working for them, they saw Dems passing legislation written by lobbyists, and they bought into the noise machine's spin that Dems are corrupt (which they mostly appear to be) so they voted Republican! Facepalm indeed.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 10:54 AM
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48. Superb OP, truly one of your very best mads. Bookmarked and K&R
I am fuming and sad at the same time, this line of Third Way thinking will be the demise of our party...such bullshit
analysis of what Americans actually expected from this administration but did not receive does not mean move more right.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 02:44 PM
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57. ....
Kind words, thanks. When Obama said to a group privately that he was a New Democrat...most of us thought following policies of these think tanks would follow.
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silver10 Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 12:17 PM
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49. Bullshit!
When you try to please everybody, you please NOBODY!

The repukes and the teabaggers have NEVER tried bipartisanship, and look at all they've won!

If the Dems weren't so seemingly weak and wishy-washy, this would NOT be an issue.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 12:35 PM
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50. They get paid very well to push this shit.
They probably even believe it. K & R
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 12:42 PM
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51. "Carefully place mzzle on foot, squeeze trigger" advice from the losers. .
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 01:09 PM
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52. "Dem" - yeah, right. DLC=GOP
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 02:04 PM
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54. =neocons=perpetual war, poverty, and injustice
Edited on Sat Nov-13-10 02:04 PM by Swamp Rat
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 02:01 PM
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53. Kick n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 02:22 PM
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56. Here's the problem
with those organizations. While the media loves them, they can't get anything done. Evan Bayh quit the Senate in frustration. He couldn't even help the blue dog who ran for his seat get elected.

They are simply trying to take advantage of the election to scream that it proves they were right. They have absolutely no track record and this election, which spelled doomed for most of the people who supported their goals.




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Wounded Bear Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 03:12 PM
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58. I've adopted a new sig line that I think applies....
Massive facepalm, that's for sure.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 03:16 PM
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60. We're losing freedom because we're throwing it away
not because somebody else is stealing it from us. I mean, that may be happening also, but the really sad part is that we're throwing it out the window with both hands.
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 03:21 PM
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62. OMG! the Onion slays me!
:rofl:

Oh wait....

:-(
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 05:02 PM
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63. Funny, you never hear the word "bipartisanship" from the rethugs. ...
...seems the DNC/DLC/Blue Dogs/Centrists have consigned themselves to be bending over for the rethugs. And it is not reciprocal.
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 05:02 PM
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64. All the while Boner et al screeeech: "we will not compromise!"
Edited on Sat Nov-13-10 05:02 PM by ProfessionalLeftist
Compromise is a two-way street. It can't only be Democrats doing it all. Thus, this compromise crap is just that - crap.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 05:20 PM
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65. How can you bargain with the party of No...
Edited on Sat Nov-13-10 05:22 PM by AsahinaKimi
If the Democrats had a hypothetical Turkey Dinner for Thanksgiving, and out of the kindness of their hearts invited the Republicans, the Republicans would DEMAND that they eat the entire dinner, while the Democrats got to wash the plates. This is how they want things.


Let them eat Scraps or show them to the door!
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 05:39 PM
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70. Well, for starters you don't keep saying "yes" to the party of "no"...
And if you already know some guest is going to be so fundamentally rude and entitled, why did you go out of your way to invite them? ;-)
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:57 PM
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89. exactly
Maybe some of our elected Democratic Representatives should follow common sense.
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merkins Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 05:23 PM
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66. The albatros around our collective necks: DLC, the Third Way, and PPI
K&R!
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PinkFloyd Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 05:25 PM
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67. Bipartisanship?!? WTF?!? HOW!?!?!?
On almost every issue the GOP says up front "NO COMPROMISE". Such as it is with the current situation with the Bush "tax cuts". Even McConnell openly says he has ZERO plan to work with Obama and his whole agenda is to try to get rid of Obama...not work with him, not about jobs, not about America.

How exactly do you work with people who openly say they have no intention on working with YOU? That is unless of course, you do 100% of what they want you to when they want you to do it....like Clinton in the 90's with deregulation and NAFTA (and look where that got HIM)?

Sorry for rant but these idiots upset me.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 05:26 PM
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68. These guys are so out of touch with the rest of the civilized world. n/t
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 05:37 PM
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69. Well, the DLC seems to be hellbent in proving Einstein's definition for "insanity" over and over...
... BTW, exit polls show that the single largest swing percentage came from "moderates" and "centrist" who swung back to the GOP this time, liberals voted overwhelmingly for the Dems (after all, where are we gonna go, right?).

And yet the DLC still believes that shitting on their base to appeal those in the center who may not vote for them is a "winning" strategy. I also enjoy being chastised for these loses by the high and mighty "moderates" in this site, even though their peeps are the biggest reason for the GOP getting their wings back.

It will never cease... as long as liberals keep enabling these idiots.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 05:49 PM
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71. They've 'bipartisaned' our platform away.
I'm changing to non-affilated.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:35 PM
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84. Dumb. The way to beat these fakes is in the primaries and by withholding support in the general.
The primaries are our first line of defense.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 05:55 PM
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72. The main reason we lost
is that we have high unemployment and people are hurting, and when they're hurting they tend to blame whichever party is in power and vote against it, even if it was the other party which caused the problem. Americans have very short memories.

Another reason we lost was that we did not have the decisive leadership needed to address the problems that are making things hard for so many people. Another reason we lost is that we lost the terms of the debate, or simply ceded it to the teabaggers. Our party sucks at creating narrative, or just doesn't understand that that is a critical element of getting people to vote for you.

And it has nothing to do with "ideology". It's about getting things done that ordinary people need done (and communicating that fact to them). People didn't vote against Dems because they didn't give enough away to corporations.

I'm not sure that the Democratic party is the place for me anymore. Not certain that I will be voting in 2012.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 06:36 PM
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76. Spokesperson Bob Quisling could not be reached for comment...
...because they couldn't fit a microphone up John Boehner's ass, where his head was...
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 06:55 PM
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77. Think tanks have little to do with objective thinking
and much to do with clever rationalizations for a priori postulates. They exist to determine the topics and framework of national discourse for the special interests that bankroll them. It would make more sense to cite Wikipedia as an authoritative source for scholarship than to cite a think tank as a unbiased source for policy formulation.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:11 PM
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78. What is this, Vichy France?
"Yes, we can collaborate" :wtf:
That's a strategy? To what end?

It's more like "Please don't hurt us, we'll give you anything you want. Just cut us in on a piece of the action"
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:23 PM
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79. Only a primary challenge will give FDR Democrats a chance to reach the American people.


We need the voters to understand that there is a clear alternative to the plutocratic policies of Obama.

He will continue his pro-corporate agenda and lose anyway. There is no way to save this guy from himself, except, possibly, by such an intervention.

Ideally, he could wake up and grab the FDR mantle before sufferring humiliation in the primaries and debates.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:44 PM
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86. Pretty much if we even want to survive we have to. Obama being "Marxist" or at best liberal means
Game fucking over for anything approximating a decent future or maybe much of one at all for most people.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:45 PM
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87. Pretty much if we even want to survive we have to. Obama being "Marxist" or at best liberal means
Game fucking over for anything approximating a decent future or maybe much of one at all for most people.
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onestep Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:26 PM
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81. GDMT!!
Bipartisanship is why we lost!
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droidamus2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:27 PM
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82. Who do these DLCers sound like, let me see....
Oh I remember they sound just like the rightwing wackos in the Republican party. Oh the reason we lost is we didn't go far enough to the right. Now we not only have the true rightwingers in the Repug party telling us we have to move to the right we have people in our own party telling us liberals that we have to move to the right. To hell with that as a liberal I believe in my liberal stance and I am not about to kiss a$$ to anybody telling me I am wrong and have to give up on my beliefs. The reason the Democrats lose is because these wishy-washy centrists come across as not really standing for anything and what little they do stand for they are not willing to stand and fight for. What the American electorate respects is somebody that takes a position and will fight for it win, lose or draw if the Democrats can't learn this then they are doomed.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:29 PM
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83. Is there such a thing as a liberal or progressive think tank? n/t
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:39 PM
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85. How asinine. I guess they didn't take notice of all the GOP "no" votes. n/t
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politicalmajority Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 07:59 PM
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90. Tell Them to Shut Up and Get Lost!
Howard Dean for President in 2012!
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 11:56 PM
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91. Since I can't 'rec' I'll 'kick'. nt
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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:05 AM
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92.  corporate tax rate should be slashed in half
ok then I am sure it will trickle down to their workers right away not
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:09 AM
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93. Too late to REC, so here's a KICK. nt
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SpankMe Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:29 AM
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94. This panel needs to tell us...
...exctly how the Republicans worked with us when they owned the Whitehouse and both houses of congress.
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:35 AM
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95. Sure--that's why half the Repug compromising blue dogs got beaten.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:42 AM
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96. We lost because of Obama's pro-corporate agenda ....
and game playing by DLC Democrats/Blue Dogs --

back room deals with Big Pharma and private health care industry by Obama --

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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:46 AM
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97. I'd like to know at what point they think 'we' tried to appeal to the liberal wing of the party.
They seem to just make shit up to fit what they want to do.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 12:47 AM
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98. Well didn't we call it?
And now for some third way... Since it works so well...:sarcasm:

Pissing in the fucking wind...
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:00 AM
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99. Excuse me while I
:puke:
:puke:
:puke:
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:11 AM
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100. If they're what people want, why did the Blue Dogs get smeared last week?
The derp is strong with them. Although they seem to have a good ability to continue to justify their existance.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:13 AM
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101. The Corporatists of the DLC can kiss my pasty white ass!
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 01:45 AM
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102. If Obama and the Dems had bent over any further to be more "bipartisan"
and "work with the Republicans, they would've snapped in two, literally. I've been supportive of Obama's calls for "bipartisanship" (it's what he campaigned for after all) but I also want to see things getting done and what I would like to know from these "moderates" and "centrists" is how could he have possibly ever gotten ANYTHING done if he had held out for a Congressional consensus and/or at least strong Republican support on every single piece of legislation that he ultimately signed in to law? Or is that the point? Do these "moderates" or "centrists" EVER have anything whatsoever to say about the rampant Republican obstructionism in the past two Congresses? Do they truly honestly believe that Obama and the Dems just didn't do ANYTHING to try to work with the Republicans?

:wtf:

It would seem that all traces of Republican obstructionism during the past 4 years have been conveniently erased from the historical record and we're left with the impression, particularly during the past two years, that there were literally no other Republicans present- though they might as well have been absent since their "presence" ended up being little more than a paperweight- and that the Democrats were running this country with an iron fist.

The bottom line for this past election can pretty much be summed up with the following equation:

Bad economy + Democrats in control= Vote against Democrats (by electing the "other" party) to get "change"

This myth that the Democrats weren't "bipartisan" enough, which is what some idiots are suggesting as the reason for us losing the House on the Tuesday before last is a big steaming pile of BS and we need to make sure that if it's "bipartisanship" the people want, the Republicans need to be held to account for their past obstructionism, as well as demanding that they too "work together" with the Democrats. It's what the people said that they want, right? I mean, they can't be saying that it's just a one-way street with the Democrats, right? :shrug:
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 08:39 AM
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103. Clinton and his Third Way has done the
same thing to dems. as the bushes did to the republican party. Utterly destroyed it and everything that they stand for.Pictures of bill and bush senior are supposed to prove what ? That they both stand for the same thing? Fascism in the US. And that is supposed to make us feel better? hillary going all over the world insulting everybody but ruthless dictators? And we are supposed to like her for that?
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