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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 12:19 AM
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Inverted Totaliarism
In the recent past there has been a lot of discussion about fascism... whether we are going there or not. I am of the opinion that YES we are well on our way to close American Society. We may not want to call it fascism... but perhaps those of you who cannot even fathom this, should go here.

http://www.truth-out.org/democracy-and-threat-authoritarianism-politics-beyond-barack-obama56890

And some quotes

A Turn to the Dark Side of Politics

The American media, large segments of the public and many educators widely believe that authoritarianism is alien to the political landscape of American society. Authoritarianism is generally associated with tyranny and governments that exercise power in violation of the rule of law. A commonly held perception of the American public is that authoritarianism is always elsewhere. It can be found in other allegedly "less developed/civilized countries," such as contemporary China or Iran, or it belongs to a fixed moment in modern history, often associated with the rise of twentieth century totalitarianism in its different forms in Germany, Italy and the Soviet Union under Stalin.

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According to this narrative, the Bush-Cheney regime exhibited such extreme modes of governance in its embrace of an imperial presidency, its violation of domestic and international law, and its disdain for human rights and democratic values that it was hard to view such anti-democratic policies as part of a pervasive shift towards a hidden order of authoritarian politics, which historically has existed at the margins of American society. How else to label such a government other than shockingly and uniquely extremist, given its political legacy that included the rise of the security and torture state; the creation of legal illegalities in which civil liberties were trampled; the launching of an unjust war in Iraq legitimated through official lies; the passing of legislative policies that drained the federal surplus by giving away more than a trillion dollars in tax cuts to the rich; the enactment of a shameful policy of preemptive war; the endorsement of an inflated military budget at the expense of much-needed social programs; the selling off of as many government functions as possible to corporate interests; the resurrection of an imperial presidency; an incessant attack against unions; support for a muzzled and increasingly corporate-controlled media; government production of fake news reports to gain consent for regressive policies; use of an Orwellian vocabulary for disguising monstrous acts such as torture ("enhanced interrogation techniques"); furtherance of a racist campaign of legal harassment and incarceration of Arabs, Muslims and immigrants; advancement of a prison binge through a repressive policy of criminalization; establishment of an unregulated and ultimately devastating form of casino capitalism; the arrogant celebration and support for the interests and values of big business at the expense of citizens and the common good, and the dismantling of social services and social safety nets as part of a larger campaign of ushering in the corporate state and the reign of finance capital.

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Historical conjunctures produce different forms of authoritarianism, though they all share a hatred for democracy, dissent and civil liberties. It is too easy to believe in a simplistic binary logic that strictly categorizes a country as either authoritarian or democratic, which leaves no room for entertaining the possibility of a mixture of both systems.

American politics today suggests a more updated if not different form of authoritarianism. In this context, it is worth remembering what Huey Long said in response to the question of whether America could ever become fascist: "Yes, but we will call it anti-fascist."<5> Long's reply indicates that fascism is not an ideological apparatus frozen in a particular historical period, but a complex and often shifting theoretical and political register for understanding how democracy can be subverted, if not destroyed, from within.

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And of course I cannot quote more, due to copyright... but go on and read it.

Mull over it...

After all when Fascism comes it will be with a cross and a flag... and quite friendly.

This is not about Obama by the way, before the usual crowd says such. This is about a process, one that started BEFORE Bush, but has accelerated. It is also part of the fall of Empire and the failure of democracy.

Now where did I put that target? I feel I am the punching bag anymore.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 12:38 AM
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 12:39 AM
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2. K&R.......
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 12:44 AM
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:41 AM
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Denninmi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 06:15 AM
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5. Thank you.
To the OP -- I have noted your comments about the environment on DU on a couple of posts. Just wanted to let you know I really appreciate your posts.

I can't say that I "enjoyed" reading this, frankly, the entire course of events lately really do make me want to slit my wrists and die quietly. Fortunately, I just can't seem to find a time to work that into my schedule, so I guess I'll have to carry on for now. Maybe I'll get lucky and my calendar will clear in December or something. :sarcasm:

But, it was a very thought provoking article, and I've bookmarked it so I can come back to it later.

I still question how "friendly" our fascism will be. I think that this summer's "debate" about the Ground Zero Islamic community center, similar ongoing rancor about the mosque being built in Tennessee, the use of "Sharia Law" paranoia as a wedge issue in several campaigns were all very telling. I feel the same way about the contempt being shown for immigrants, particularly Hispanic immigrants on the US-Mexican border states, and the paranoia about "the Border".

The lid was kept on, barely, for now, because the elites aren't quite at the point yet when violence will be tolerated, IMO. But, I question how long that status quo will continue to be true. At what point will law enforcement authorities somewhere become so influenced by the rhetoric of hatred that a trigger mechanism will be activated. What that might be is hard to say -- a howling mob burning a mosque or some similar event where law enforcement chooses to "look the other way" for a few hours or chooses to actively participate, perhaps?

I really am having a hard time with all of this, because it all seems so hopeless to try to fight it. Whether we have "friendly" or openly violent fascism, it all seems so hopeless.

In Germany in the early and mid 1930's, the majority of the targeted population kept telling themselves that the Nazis would only go so far, that it couldn't devolve into absolute madness. The people with both foresight and LUCK managed to get out. Most didn't, either because they were blocked from leaving, the saw no other option, or because they just couldn't bring themselves to believe just how deadly the situation would become. And, I sure that some chose to stay and try to fight for what they had, because it was the only life they knew.

What are our choices? Our options? Do we leave? Where would we go? What countries would have us? How many immigrants could Sweden or N.Z. or Australia or Canada absorb? And, if this country did go over the edge, would Canada even be able to stand as a firewall against the madness, or would it be swept into it, too? What about the rest of the world? I don't view that as an option.

So, we stay, and do what? How do we fight this when we are outgunned, out funded, and outmaneuvered at every turn?

When lies pass for truth, hate for love of country, and fear for strength, is there really any such concept as "hope"?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 11:29 AM
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7. The environment here is getting toxic
As to the rest... Airport security is one place where this is being tested...how far can we push it?

It will come a point where silence for the sake of survival will be required. Dystopias are not just science fiction...you want a good read, talking about Dystopias, Neuromancer by Gibson... Not a nice read given the last ten years.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 09:26 AM
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6. Fascism with a smiley face. nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 11:30 AM
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8. Exactly and we are there.
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