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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:37 PM
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At What Point Do Think It Was Too Late For The Germans To Stop It ???


Just wondering.

:shrug:
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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:39 PM
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1. Stop what? Hitler or Fascism?
I hope you're referring to Fascism? I don't like to see Obama compared to Hitler, and I'm assuming that's not what you had in mind. Hard to tell, though.

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:47 PM
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4. Oh Please... The Germans Took Fascism And Put It On Steroids...
I wasn't thinking of Obama at all with this post.

I am wondering... when our Supreme Court takes off the reigns on Corporations and their contributions to Congress, which is now the biggest Whore House outside of Texas (or Nevada), at what point in time with EITHER Italy or Germany back in the day, is similar to what is happening now.

IOW - What is OUR canary in that historical coal mine?

Would we see it before it happened, or after it was too late to do anything about it?

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:40 PM
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2. 27 February 1933
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:46 PM
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3. Never too late......
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html


They Thought They Were Free
The Germans, 1933-45
Milton Mayer

But Then It Was Too Late

<snip>

"Your friend the baker was right," said my colleague. "The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your ‘little men,’ your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about—we were decent people—and kept us so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think?

"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it—please try to believe me—unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’ that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these ‘little measures’ that no ‘patriotic German’ could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.

"How is this to be avoided, among ordinary men, even highly educated ordinary men? Frankly, I do not know. I do not see, even now. Many, many times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice—‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘Consider the end.’ But one must foresee the end in order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end clearly and certainly and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or even by extraordinary men? Things might have. And everyone counts on that might.

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:48 PM
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5. It was never too late, just more costly.
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Denninmi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:52 PM
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6. Um, right about now.
When they won enough seats to make themselves a real presence. They did NOT have a majority in the 1932 election, with 38%, but had enough strength to act like they did.

Sound familiar?

All we're lacking is the Reichstag fire. I'm sure it's already in the planning stages somewhere.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:53 PM
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7. With reasonable confidence, I posit the following: after it happened.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:53 PM
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8. Know this-
Most cops, and most members of the armed services will do whatever they are told to do.

It's too late now.
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