Some predicted we would be more unified after last Tuesday's ass kicking...

[Ozymanithrax]

I was one of them

But I see the same old divide.
We are re-fighting the health care wars.
And in some quarters Obama
is a word for corporate shill.
or just weak because he compromises.
Apparantly, real Presidents don't compromise.

Amazingly, there seems to be support
for shutting down the government
rather than compromise.

So if we can't overcome our differences
2012 is gong to be hell,
or so bad that we will wish
the Mayan prophesies were right.

[cutlassmama]

1. No, you're wrong. Look at the KO support. We can stick together and

get through this.

[Ozymanithrax]

3. So we get together to get a talking head back in this chair...

And by the way, I like and watch KO.

Everything else is in disarray.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Perhaps that is what they are all about???

:hi:

And I feel at this point it is safe to say we might not have a normal election in 2012 either... increasing markers of the end of Empire...

And I fear a few Republicans will SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT... and it will be a BAD thing.

[Ozymanithrax]

5. I am pretty sure we won't have an average election.

I dont' think there is a normal election anymore. At least, I haven't seen one since 1976.

I think we are going to have a wave in 2012. I suspect it will be a Republian Wave. I hope I change my opinon in the next two years.

[hfojvt]

4. there is something that may unite us

un-reccing this thread.


I'm kidding, I'm kidding.



But it could work.

[Ozymanithrax]

6. I will quote Jon Stewart, I don't care...

Some will do it, most will simply ignore me. But I have children, so I've been ignored by experts.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

7. Now is the time to unify around our party AND our President

We need to focus more on cutting Republicans to shreds, not each other. Based on a lot of the discussions we have on DU, I think that we have it in us to be able to get out there and do some real damage. The more we fight each other, the less time and energy we have to devote to fighting Republicans and while we're fighting amongst ourselves, they're pushing forward with their agenda. Good, bad, or indifferent, we need to get our Democratic representatives' and Senator's backs, as well as the President's since the corporate media sure as hell won't.

[zipplewrath]

8. Except about the time I cut them to shreds

Our president adopts their position.

It's hard to cut the GOP to shreds when tomorrow our president is adopting their positions on indefinite detentions, or the SOFA, or gay marriage, or Gitmo....

[displacedvermoter]

12. Exactly!!!

[Ozymanithrax]

9. I tend to agree with you.

The current malaise (I love that word made famous by Carter) may just be the deep funk of grief after a unrighteous ass kicking. But I think it goes deeper than that.

But if we are gong to get things done, we need to start.

[RaleighNCDUer]

10. Easy to say, hard in practice

when so many Dems are openly advocating Republican positions, and are preemptively "cooperating" with the other side.

How do you fight the other side when they can point to those on YOUR side who are saying the very same things?

[Ozymanithrax]

14. Unless someone rises that can pull this herd of cats togerher...

We don't.

There won't be any legislation fixing campaign finance, or at least forcing people to name who donated the money.

We are going to see wall to wall investigations of the Executive.

We have entered the 2012 election season just a bit early, and it is going to be very dirty.

Democratic underground reflects what holds the left together and what rips it apart. And there seems to be a lot more energy focused on ripping it apart.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

15. I agree that that can be very problematic at times

However, at the end of the day, we still should to fight for the party who is trying to do the right thing at least most of the time. The Democrats certainly aren't perfect and we can all agree on our distaste for the Blue Dogs and other weak-willed Democrats adopting GOP rhetoric and policy but, at the end of the day, supporting the Democratic Party and its leaders- with all its imperfections- is our only sane and viable course of action right now while the Republican Tea Party remains at-large (larger after last Tuesday's elections).

[EFerrari]

11. Imho, 2012 will be hell for a lot of people

and our political conversation will reflect that.

[Individualist]

13. "He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind."

[Greyhound]

16. This electoral drubbing has only highlighted the basic problem, we have two completely incompatible

political philosophies within the same party. One party cannot accommodate both women's (human) rights and anti-choice positions, both societal and legal equality and institutional discrimination, both war-mongering and peaceful coexistence, and so on.

We're going over the cliff. There's nobody that matters even proposing any real remedies for this, so sit back, relax, and don't forget to flap your arms on the way down (it can't hurt and you never know...)

[pacalo]

17. My common sense & sense of fairness tells me Obama's right to compromise

but he's dealing with junkyard-dog bullies who refuse to do the same, & that's when my sense of reality kicks in. I'd like to see Obama take a principled stand & use every tool he has as president to do the right thing for the majority of this country.

Getting along with fellow DUers is simple: it starts with each DUer's decision to show respect for different opinions. Realize that a smart-aleck answer to an opposing view only makes the smartmouth look bad. Do you value your credibility here or not? A good self-reminder tool: think of how the baggers' hateful rhetoric comes across & whether you think it makes them look like a fine, outstanding person that you'd like to emulate. That's not how I want to come across.

[Ozymanithrax]

18. When we discuss compromise, many of us forget that compromise is defined as...

A settlement of differences in which each side makes concessions.

I do not advocate Republicans being given what ever they want, only that the government continue to function on some basic level, that my mother and sisters get their social security checks, that the sons of friends now serving in the military receive their pay checks, that my wife who works in a Military Hospital get her pay check, that Congress pass necessary legislation.

I am appalled at what is going on in Washington. I am equally appalled at the deep divisions here on this board. A House dividied against itself can not stand.

[sally cat]

19. Hmm, election loses or end of the world is the choice? Hold on, I'm thinking...