There are no lines in the sand for me when it comes to my fellow liberals

[chillspike]

I don't agree with every fellow progressive, liberal, democrat but I see no permanent harm in you trying out your ideas without hating you or getting overly angry.

Now if some dems, liberals and progressives think sitting out this election is a way to shake up our democratic representatives and, ultimately, bring them to the victory we all want by punishing our party, let them try it. Maybe it will work.

But I hope, once they have tried their idea and, assuming it doesn't work, those dems, liberals and progressives will be willing to try the other side's idea of this family debate.

It looks like the side that is angry with our democratic representatives is going to let them know it.

My side of this debate is to always vote for Dems until the Republican party is forced to evolve into us or die. And that once the Republicans have been thoroughly reined in or destroyed, you will see the Left leaning legislation you've wanted to see. If anyone doesn't understand this I'll explain briefly:

You can't pass good "extreme" left policies (or the kind of Left policies we all want) and retain power to pass those good policies if the Republican party and its constituents are in the way. So every time Dems are in office, for those who haven't figured this out yet, they have to FAKE a little Right. You pander to Right views and policies when elections are near and then you pass incremental Left legislation. When will they stop faking Right? When we have elected Dems consistently enough that the Republican party cracks from the loss of power. But we have to show our Dem representatives we are with them or they won't have the confidence to get bolder with their legislation. So we have to get out and vote consistently for our party. I promise you if we do this over years and years the Republican party will totally crack. We could crack them now if we wanted to in their weakened state.

That's my strategy but I could be wrong. So does anybody here think Dems can be consistently reelected to power by consistently passing strong and broad sweeping Liberal and progressive policies? Would you get out and vote consistently Dem if they did?

[mmonk]

1. I wouldn't know.

It's been decades since anything really progressive has been tried. But based on history, yes.