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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:32 PM
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DINO Blanche Lincoln going down in flames in Ark.
Arkansas Senator Blanche Lincoln remains on track to be the one Senate Democrat sure to lose her job on Election Day.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arkansas/election_2010_arkansas_senate

Thanks, DLC.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:33 PM
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1. Halter was a far better choice
and if she didn't fuck up the primary, then Halter would have defeated whoever the scumbag in Arkansas is....
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:32 PM
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21. Yep.
She publicly blames Halter for her general election loss, thereby alienating the Halter voters, only about half of her potential base.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 09:45 AM
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74. The actual truth is Halter would have been beaten even worse.
Every poll show him losing big to all the republican senate candidates. He is a very light weight politician in Arkansas. The only reason he did well against Lincoln is that she voted for the health-care bill. That bill was universally hated in Arkansas. Arkansas is also a right to work state that isn't very high on unions. Most of Halter's money came from outside Arkansas.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 11:07 AM
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86. Halter polled better, not worse, than Lincoln against Boozman
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/27/bill-halter-gets-double-d_n_592297.html



"In general election matchups, Republican nominee Rep. John Boozman leads Lincoln by 20 (58-38), Halter by 11 (53-42)," the poll announcement reads. "As an incumbent, Lincoln's Senate career is finished, whether in the runoff or general. Halter would begin the general election as the undisputed underdog, but running against a 10-year DC incumbent in Boozman."


Not clear at all that he couldn't have beaten Boozman.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 03:37 PM
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96. You know nothing about Arkansas. That poll on KOS is a joke.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 03:46 PM
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98. I've never understood about what a "right to work" state is exactly
"right to work" sounds like what we would want every state to be but they seem to be the actual opposite in terms of what they actually are (i.e. anti-unions, anti-worker protections)

States that are anti-union, anti-worker protections should really be called "privilege-to-work" and states that actually work to ensure jobs for all of its able-bodied and willing citizens should be the ones called "right-to-work".

Also, while I'm on a tear right now, I find the whole concept of "at-will" employment to be a farce. Employers should have to have real justification for firing somebody. The system as it exists in most (all) states leave people too vulnerable IMHO to the whims of their employers.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 05:46 AM
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115. It goes back to the Taft-Hartley Act
"The amendments enacted in Taft-Hartley added a list of prohibited actions, or "unfair labor practices", on the part of unions to the NLRB, which had previously only prohibited "unfair labor practices" committed by employers. The Taft–Hartley Act prohibited jurisdictional strikes, wildcat strikes, solidarity or political strikes, secondary boycotts, secondary or "common situs" picketing, closed shops, and monetary donations by unions to federal political campaigns. It also required union officers to sign non-communist affidavits with the government. Union shops were heavily restricted, and states were allowed to pass "right-to-work laws" that outlawed union shops. Furthermore, the executive branch of the Federal government could obtain legal strikebreaking injunctions if an impending or current strike "imperiled the national health or safety," a test that has been interpreted broadly by the courts."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taft–Hartley_Act
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:34 PM
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2. So why post this shit now?
What purpose does it serve?
Will you be happier with her teabagger opponent in the Senate for 6 or 12 or 18 years?
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:42 PM
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6. Because running a real Dem would have been a better choice? Like say Halter? nt
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:18 PM
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14. The primaries are long over
It's either Blanche or Boozman. Period. Boozman votes 96.6% Republican party line.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 05:12 AM
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57. She was the incumbent, and they always have the advantage. She votes with Dems nearly all the time--
... in fact her record is quite good in that regard. She ran afoul of Dems who want it ALL.

I expect gravedancing at DU if she loses, but the fact is we will have another Repub in the Senate -- who will vote against Dems 100% of the time.

Hekate
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bornskeptic Donating Member (951 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 10:54 AM
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81. Blanche Lincoln voted for healthcare reform, financial regulation, the stimulus,
credit card reform, and every extension of unemployment benefits. DUers are celebrating because she'll be replaced by John Boozman, who voted against all of those bills, and yet they call themselves progressives. I've spent a lot of time trying to understand that kind of thinking, but I've given up. I'm totally baffled.
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 10:56 AM
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82. Amen

Lincoln isn't my favorite Senator, but she comes from a tough region of the country for Dems...the fact she held up as well as she did is great.

Now, we'll have another right-winger in the Senate, like you I can't find the benefits of that either.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:15 PM
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89. Obviously, no one here wants a right-winger in office. But we were told that she was a better pick
Edited on Tue Nov-02-10 02:17 PM by mistertrickster
to win in the general.

She wasn't.

That was the purpose of the post: let's run people who are proud to be democrats instead of those who want to be seen as republican-lite.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 03:36 AM
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109. "Obviously, no one here wants a right-winger in office"
Edited on Wed Nov-03-10 03:37 AM by Art_from_Ark
I certainly couldn't tell it from all the grave-dancing. Too many people saying "Sure a Republican is in there, but at least we got rid of Blanche!" It's disgusting. And probably not a one of them has any connection to Arkansas.

You can always find people in Arkansas who are "proud to be Democrats" but who have a political philosophy that is much to the right of yours. Look at 3 of the 4 Congressional districts, which almost always elect Democratic Congressmen. No doubt that just about every one of those people who consistently vote for the D will claim to be "proud Democrats". And yet, a lot of those Democrats they elect are farther to the right than Blanche.
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John Commonsense Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:40 PM
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25. The truth is served best by being honest about her chances.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:36 PM
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3. Arkansas Democrats could have gone with Halter
And the DLC never takes responsibility for anything. If she wins, it's because she is DLC. If she loses it's because "she strayed from DLC principles".
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John Commonsense Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:36 PM
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4. Isn't she a Blue Dog?
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:48 PM
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7. Yeah, she is.
And she's been way down in the polls for months.

Welcome to DU, John Commonsense!

:party:
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John Commonsense Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:57 PM
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9. Thanks for the welcome!

Given the choice between a republican and one who acts like a republican which one has the better chance of winning?


I believe that we know the answer.

I hope that she pulls it off, though.
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Yeshuah Ben Joseph Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:36 PM
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5. Just curious how all the Charlie Crist fans would feel about a John Gray victory in Arkansas?
Looks like the polls are ignoring him, so I don't know if he has a snowball's chance in Hell. But he would certainly be better than Boozer.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:52 PM
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8. Just another Blue Dog getting her just deserts...
maybe she should contemplate all the right-wing stuff she supported.

Shame to lose this election, but the elimination of Blue Dogs will ultimately bring in new more aggressive liberal candidates.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:06 PM
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11. You obviously don't know about Arkansas politics
It used to be that if a Republican got elected, he would lose the next election (like Frank White) or the election after that (like Winthrop Rockefeller Sr.). But things changed with Mike Huckabee, the "accidental governor" who just happened to be a Republican lieutenant governor at the same time Ken Starr was conducting his witch hunt against the sitting Democratic governor, Jim Guy Tucker. Starr essentially deposed Tucker on the testimony of two known perjurers and instituted Huckabee as governor, who was about as dense as the last Republican governor before him, Frank White. But Huckabee was able to hold on to the governorship for more than 10 years. I see the same thing happening with this Senate race. Yeah, you might be removing a Blue Dog, but you're going to get a teabagger in her place, who could very well have a long shelf life of 12 or 18 years.
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:18 PM
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33. +1000 -- this is NOT a good thing at all.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 12:00 AM
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38. You know if both Boozman and Womack win
then the city of Rogers will account for 1/3 of Arkansas' 6-member Congressional delegation.

Rogers used to be a Democratic town way back when-- but now, it's Teabag Central
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 03:32 AM
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48. Thanks for the inside info
I always wondered how that nothing got to be governor.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 03:38 AM
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49. It really irks me every time I think of it
You can bet your bottom dollar that Ken Starr would have left Governor Tucker alone if the lieutenant governor had been a Democrat.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 05:06 AM
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56. Not in districts where they don't want them it won't.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 05:43 AM
Response to Reply #8
60. The elimination of blue dogs for more conservative
republicans will not get more progressive candidates elected.It will get more conservative republicans elected.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 04:06 PM
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101. No, it won't.
In certain areas of the country, we don't get the option of electing Progressives.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:57 PM
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10. Her only value for Democrats was that she counted as one toward a "majority".
For things that mattered she voted as a republican.
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:10 PM
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12. She and Ben Nelson stopped EFCA

No 60 there.

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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #12
27. I can vever forgive her for that
I always called her the Senator from Wal-Mart.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 04:20 AM
Response to Reply #27
113. Do you know anything about her opponent?
Like the fact that he's a big-time Republican from heavily Republican Wal-Mart's hometown?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 10:33 AM
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79. Blanche "I've always depended on the kindness of BIG corporations" Lincoln...
...crowed with delight at her role in torpedoing the Public Option.

The White House OWNS the loss of this seat for interfering in the Primary campaigning FOR "I killed the Public Option" Lincoln.
Bill Halter, being a Pro-Working Class non-incumbent, stood a better chance in the general,
and would have received LOTS of UNION support.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:45 AM
Response to Reply #79
116. Actually, I think all that union support
would have been a detriment to Halter in the "right to work" state of Arkansas, especially now when the state has a lower unemployment rate than traditional union states. I have a funny feeling that that is one of the main reasons why Obama and Clinton rushed to Lincoln's aid in the primaries.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:16 PM
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13. She may have made some bonehead votes, BUT
Edited on Mon Nov-01-10 08:16 PM by Art_from_Ark
according to the Washington Post, "Blanche Lincoln has voted with a majority of her Democratic colleagues 83.1% of the time during the current Congress."

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/l000035/

Compare that to her main opponent, who has voted the Republican party line 96.6% of the time since he became a Congressman in 2001.
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:27 PM
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17. Nice statistic
It seems to me that she must have only voted against the Democrats when it really mattered and with them when it didn't
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:33 PM
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22. And her opponent will ALWAYS vote against the Democrats
Personally, I would rather have her predecessor, Dale Bumpers. But he has long since retired. It's either Blanche or a nearly 100% straight party-line Republican voter, for 6 or 12 or even 18 years.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:40 PM
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24. She is despicable
but there is no choice but to vote for her. As bad as she is, she is better than Bozo.

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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #13
19. Most of the things congress votes on are things like

"resolution to thank so-and-so for doing something-or-other". So those 80 something percent of her votes are probably meaningless stuff like that.

The Blue Dogs will also vote things through committee and then not vote for them on the floor.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 12:10 AM
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41. Does that count the number of times things didn't come to a vote because certain dems...
wouldn't bust a threatened filibuster?
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #13
100. False dilemma. No one's arguing that the Repuke is better. We're arguing HALTER is better. nt
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 12:04 AM
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39. She gave the impression that Democrats have a large majority.
Look at how much disappointment that false expectation caused. "Democrats" like her have dragged the entire party down.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #39
42. right on
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 12:27 AM
Response to Reply #39
43. You'd rather have her teabagger opponent
You've actually admitted it on another thread.
Just who the hell are you to be celebrating a potential Democratic loss on a Democratic board, especially a day before the election?
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #43
45. It's only a Democratic loss
when there's an actual Democrat in the race. I have no sympathy for Lincoln after the many Democratic losses she caused by voting with Republicans.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #45
46. You don't know a goddamn thing about Arkansas politics
Edited on Tue Nov-02-10 01:02 AM by Art_from_Ark
You just spout ignorant ramblings. I'm sorry she didn't vote the way you wanted every time. She didn't vote the way I wanted every time, either. But she's from a conservative state and she's voted with the Dems 85% of the time-- which is 85% more than what her opponent will be voting. So stick it.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:20 PM
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15. Who's bringin the marshmallows?! n/t
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:24 PM
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16. So you'll be celebrating a victory by her teabagger opponent?
:thumbsdown:
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:32 PM
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20. honestly I think she's just as bad as a teabagger. She is holding back the progressive dems.

With "friends" like her voting against progressive legislation, who needs enemies?
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. Are you actually saying that someone who votes with the Dems 85% of the time
is just as bad as someone who will be voting with the Republicans nearly 100% of the time????????
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:07 PM
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30. She doesn't vote with us on the votes that matter. To put it another way...

the average (D) congressperson votes with the party 97% of the time. Grayson, Weiner, Rangel, Pelosi, Frank, they are all at 97-98%

The one congressperson who the Obama administration singled out as a "professional leftist," Dennis Kucinich votes with the party 91% of the time.

Numbers don't mean everything, in other words. DK may not vote with the party as much as Grayson, but his vote is usually there when it matters.

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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. Not true.
And I despise her.
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #20
35. Yet her teabagger opponent is campaigning that she was the vote that got health care reform passed.
Edited on Mon Nov-01-10 11:24 PM by moriah
Wow!

Now you'll get to see what an Arkansas conservative looks like, if Huckabee didn't scare you enough.
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #15
28. Let me check my pantry
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:30 PM
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18. A shame there was no ALTERNATIVE
My God, the DLC is SO short-sighted and parochial.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:59 PM
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29. The truth is
running as a Democrat she deserves to lose. She is no Democrat. While I will miss her number, I sure as hell won't miss her.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #29
36. So you would rather have Richard Burr than Blanche?

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dmosh42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 04:06 AM
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51. The nat'l Dem leaders spent money on Lincoln, but didn't support Marshall(NC) Burr's opponent! n/t
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 09:39 AM
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73. I'd rather have NEITHER to be honest with you.
Blanche isn't running in North Carolina though so she's not even a consideration for me. My partner and I are getting set to head out to vote for Elaine Marshall though. If she wins and proves to be a DINO like Lincoln though, she will never get another vote from us.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 03:23 AM
Response to Reply #73
108. But you're wishing someone who is worse than Burr on me
since I am an Arkansas voter and have to live with the consequences of this state election. Burr's Republican party line voting was is 91%, but the person who is going to replace Blanche is almost a straight (>96%) party-line voter. Cheering her defeat is like cheering the election of Burr, or Elizabeth Dole for that matter.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:09 PM
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31. Is this a good thing?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:09 PM
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32. Not sorry to see her go. For the most part, she's been a fly in the ointment.
Edited on Mon Nov-01-10 11:43 PM by AtomicKitten
Too bad she can't take Ben Nelson with her.
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:22 PM
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34. This is not, not, NOT a good thing, and I wish people would stop acting like it is.
So you think she's too conservative. Unfortunately now you'll get to see what a real Arkansas conservative looks like. Boozman makes McCain seem sane.

And people here are HAPPY about this?

:hangs head and cries, and wishes she'd already bought her Scotch she'll be drinking tomorrow night as she says goodbye to having a Senator who actually reads her letters:
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 11:29 PM
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37. It's REALLY ANNOYING, isn't it?
I know you've lived in Boozman's home county, and you must know what Republicans there are like. All these people who are dancing on Blanche's political grave either have no freakin' idea what the hell they're wishing for, or they are just plain dad-blamed idjits.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 03:11 AM
Response to Reply #34
106. You speak wisdom.
One wishes the Purity and Perfection Police had some.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 12:07 AM
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40. This is a Difficult state for Democrats to win
Lincoln would be losing big even if she had voted like a Senator from NY , CA, or Mass.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 05:21 AM
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58. Why Don't People Here Understand That Some States And Districts Are Difficult To Win?
I guarantee that everbody among us, save the most obtuse and obstinate, will understand it tonight.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 05:44 AM
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61. Because they choose not to understand. nt
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 05:52 AM
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62. The Willing Suspension Of Disbelief Is Never A Virtue
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 03:12 AM
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107. +one brazillion
Why on Earth do so many here consider self-delusion - aggressive self-delusion at that - to be a Progressive virtue?
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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 03:03 PM
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95. I think a lot of them are coccooned in their progressive enclaves
and don't understand that there are districts and entire states where the majority doesn't think like them. A Democratic candidate acceptable to DU will not win in Arkansas, nor in a lot of other places. Not now, not in the foreseeable future. Better to have a Senator who votes your way at least part of the time than a full fledged right winger. People here didn't like Lincoln, I get it. They'll like Boozman a lot less.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 03:53 PM
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99. We can either accept Dean's "50 State Strategy" or reject it
We can't do both IMHO. Either we try to elect candidates in difficult (for Dems) parts of the country and accept that they are going to have a more "conservative" and/or "DLC" streak- but will still help make up a technical majority and will, in most cases, support the party on votes- or we just give up on electing candidates from more conservative regions entirely (or at least until a majority of people in those parts of the country catch become more progressive in their political ideology). :shrug:
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:39 PM
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91. Losing big or losing small is still losing
and if you're gonna lose anyway, might as well lose while STANDING FOR SOMETHING GOOD which the public option was.

Since the repukes are branding DINO Blanche for voting aye on healthcare, she should have voted for the best healthcare bill and option. PERIOD.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:43 PM
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92. She'd probably lose by a bigger margin...
if she had voted like a Senator from NY, CA, or Mass.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 12:28 AM
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44. Arkansas won't elect a conservative dem like Lincoln...
Edited on Tue Nov-02-10 12:29 AM by SidDithers
but people think that a liberal dem would have had a better chance?

Sid
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 03:16 AM
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47. Personality also plays a role
I think if Dale Bumpers, who was to the left of Blanche when he was Senator, had somehow been the Democratic candidate, this would have been a safe Democratic seat. Sen. Bumpers had a certain political acumen that wins votes in an otherwise conservative state. For that matter, Senator J. William Fulbright, who would have been considered a flaming liberal by today's standards, easily defeated his Republican opponent in the same year that George Wallace carried the state in the Presidential election (1968).
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 07:11 AM
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67. Thanks for the local knowledge...
:hi:

Sid
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 03:09 AM
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105. I met Senator Bumpers at a Jefferson-Jackson Day picnic
and corresponded with him about issues I was concerned about. He seemed to be a real down-to-earth sort of guy, but also one who knew how to handle the conservative good ol' boys. As far as I know, he never lost a state election-- certainly he never lost one from 1970 until 1992 (the last election he ran in). That includes the 1980 election, when Reagan carried the state by nearly 60%. Bumpers has a name that very few politicians in Arkansas would risk trying to drag through the mud.

These people who are dancing on Blanche's political grave don't know crap about Arkansas politics, they just whine that Blanche didn't meet their standards and are happy that she was replaced by someone even worse. If you don't have the personality to deal with the good ol' boys, you have to pander to them, especially if you're a woman politician in the state. That's just how it is. And it's probably even worse now that the northwest part of the state has become both extremely conservative and extremely powerful in state politics.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 08:14 AM
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69. Honestly, yes because if most people have a choice between a phony Democrat and a real Republican

they tend to prefer the genuine article.

Grayson came from a conservative district, and has made a good showing for himself without nearly as much support from the DCCCP establishment as Lincoln has received.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 04:16 PM
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104. Arkansas already elected a conservative Dem. If she were so good, why did the lib almost beat her.
The DLC called out Bill Clinton to shut Halter down.

Damn, they might have had an out-of-control grass-roots liberal on their hands.

Instead, they got a nice safe corporate whore who would continue to shill for big-money special interests.

In other words, just what they wanted.
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 03:48 AM
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50. I will not celebrate the defeat of ANY Dem today.
Because every single Repub alternative is WORSE.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 05:00 AM
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54. Yep, and at 6:00 am, it's already started. nt
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 04:09 PM
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102. I wasn't celebrating it. I was observing how those of us who said that Lincoln
wouldn't win the general and that the DLC was wrong to attack Halter were right.

I hate how post-ers ascribe bad motivations to others when those motivations are not at all in evidence.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 04:19 AM
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52. Blanche Lincoln should've been a New Deal Democrat. She ran as a right winger instead.
Now, voters are going to put a right winger into power.
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 10:59 AM
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83. All the mailings I got from her looked like they were from a repuliCON.
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denbot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 04:42 AM
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53. If it's got a D after it's name on election day, I'm pulling for it.
I will never celebrate a "R" winning over a "D", and anybody who does should get a granite cookie.
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 12:31 PM
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88. I feel the same!
:hi:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 05:05 AM
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55. You happy about that?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 05:24 AM
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59. We Should Have A Party<<<<<<SARCASM
Edited on Tue Nov-02-10 05:31 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
The closer the Republicants get to 50 the more likely it is that Joe Lieberman becomes a kingmaker. John Stuart Mill said the conservatives of his day, the Tories, were the "stupid party." I wonder what he would say about us.

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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 08:23 AM
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70. I can assure you that our Tories are STILL the Stupid Party!
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 06:07 AM
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63. I consider this a plus for the Democrats.
It's been bluedogs like Blanch that have stifled the party over the last two years. I hold them all responsible for the loses we're about to suffer in this election. Good riddance to all of them.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 06:14 AM
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64. are those celebrating Lincoln's defeat also rooting for Manchin to lose?
After all, at least Lincoln voted for health care reform, and Manchin has indicated he would not have done so.

Yes, Lincoln is a conservative Democrat. But any Democrat that votes against her (or sits out the election), is effectively casting a vote for Mitch McConnell to become Majority Leader. Hopefully that won't happen even with Lincoln's loss, but those celebrating it ought to think about what it really means.

And, no, Halter wouldn't have won the election if he was the nominee. This race was lost before it began.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 06:38 AM
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65. "at least Lincoln voted for health care reform"
Yeah after she and her fellow bluedogs gutted it. They destroyed any hope of the Democrats actually producing the healthcare bill that the American people wanted. It was their "work" on the healthcare bill that lead to the general dissatisfaction with the Democrats. That is what set the stage for today's soon to be disaster at the polls. I'm glad she's paying for it.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 06:47 AM
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66. Her opponent is in favor of repealing health care reforms.
Are you saying that the people voting for him would vote for a liberal democrat?
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 07:19 AM
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68. I'm saying the Democratic party's agenda shouldn't be dictated by ...
"the best we can expect" from a conservative electorate in a conservative state. It doesn't satisfy conservatives and it demoralizes liberals and progressives and in the end it leads to defeat at the polls as we're about to see.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 08:25 AM
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71. I couldn't have said it better myself. Conservatives are going to vote Republican. If we try to

"out conservative" the Republicans then that just makes US Republicans too. Theres only one game where everyone is on the same team, and that's follow the leader. If we are pandering to the conservatives we are following their lead. What we need to do is start picking teams and playing something more competitive.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 08:35 AM
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72. Not the Boozman voters, but having someone progressive whos had the support of the party

establishment that Lincoln has had would definitely GOTV. If I lived in Arkansas I wouldn't campaign for Lincoln. I might vote for her, but I wouldn't be all that excited about it or proud of myself for doing it.

I am from a predominantly conservative area too, GA's 10th district. Last week I had to hold my nose and vote for King Roy (Barnes). You can Wiki Barnes and see what kind of evil things he did to education in GA (and I work in the education field). I didn't campaign for him, didn't send him any money, and I couldn't in good conscience recommend anyone to vote for him. He got my vote just because his opponent will probably try and pass a SB1070 style law in GA.
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 11:01 AM
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85. +100000 "Yeah after she and her fellow bluedogs gutted it."
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:46 PM
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93. Touche, I couldn't have said it better
As I said upstream, losing is losing, so if you're gonna lose, you might as well lose while STANDING FOR SOMETHING GOOD which the public option was.

Since the repukes are branding DINO Blanche for voting aye on healthcare, she should have voted for the best healthcare bill and option. PERIOD.

I'm glad she's paying for what she and other bluedogs did because I am truly sick of voting for the lesser of 2 evils... evil is still evil.

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Yeshuah Ben Joseph Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 10:42 AM
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80. The difference between Blanche and Manchin
Arkansas will be a right wing seat one way or the other. The number of Senators on each side will change as a result, but the votes won't.

Manchin, even if he wins, is a right wing turn for the seat, since he's obviously another Blue Dog coal industry whore false "democrat" far to the right of Robert Byrd. So that seat is also a loss even if Manchin wins :(
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 09:51 AM
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75. She will be missed
by Walmart
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 10:00 AM
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76. And Blue Cross/Blue Shield.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 10:09 AM
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77. Even Tennessee finally wised up and dumped...
Ford(Blue Dog, Pro-Lifer). What is wrong with Arkansas? Oh yeah, a right to work for less state.
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bornskeptic Donating Member (951 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 10:21 AM
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78. Walmart can be assured that John Boozman will treat them far better than Blanche Lincoln.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 03:46 AM
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110. Absolutely
Boozman's home town is where Wal-Mart got its start, and its world headquarters is the next town over. Wal-Mart is well known to be heavily Republican, so it's not hard to put 2 and 2 together.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 11:01 AM
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84. She was not exactly our best and brightest senator.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 11:10 AM
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87. Good. n/t
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:22 PM
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90. since people kicked Nader for Gore's loss in 2000 ever since, we should dog Rahm for at least
long for not cutting her loose.

If the GOP had senators that didn't back them on key legislation, they would no longer be senators.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:47 PM
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94. I hate to say it to a Dem, but GOODBYE BLANCHE
she'll wind up on K street.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 04:00 AM
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111. In other words, you are saying HELLO BOOZMAN
Arkansas' version of Orrin Hatch. Congratulations on your new Senator.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 03:39 PM
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97. Good riddance!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 04:11 PM
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103. Yep. If there is a choice between a Republican and a
Republican Lite, the voter will choose the real Republican. Let's hope the Democrats get the lesson for 2012.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 04:14 AM
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112. Sorry Cleita, but you've got it wrong this time
Arkansans didn't reject reject Lincoln because she was "Republican lite"-- they were quite happy with her "Republican liteness" in the previous election. If anything, she was portrayed as a "screaming liberal" by the Republicans in this election. That's what got the foaming-at-the-mouth teabaggers worked up against her.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 05:30 AM
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114. I might add that I'm firmly convinced that Arkansas
would have voted for Robert Kennedy in 1968 if he had been the Democratic nominee. But because of the assassination, the state went for George Wallace, who was Kennedy's polar opposite on the Democratic spectrum.
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