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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 06:26 PM
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I am a great fan of both Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. I was interested to see what they would come up with and very much rooting for them to succeed.

They did not succeed.

They attracted a lot of people to the Mall to watch a vapid show for children.

The message, if there could be said to be one, was that TV news does the nation little service and that political extremism is bad.

Ooooh. That’s edgy stuff.

Since the show was aimed at children and childlike adults it had to present a cardboard cutout world of comic-book heroes and villains where the great vice is not doing great evil, but rather hating the other side.

If the two sides would respect each other and get along our nation’s problems could be solved.

What the fuck? Does anyone think our problems are due to misunderstandings?

Our problems are due to the fact that the US has by far the world’s largest economy and there is beaucoup money to be gained by pillaging it.

The aspiring pillagers exploit the basest human motives in assembling their cast of cannon fodder and useful idiots: the politics of racial identity & scarcity, the fear/abhorrence of sexuality, devotion to truly loony religions as markers of exclusionary tribal identity… and, for the few with some clue as to the bigger game, greed.

The problem is not that the two sides hate each other. We actually have a serious hate shortage here. The RW has plenty to spare but the middle and center left do not like to hate because it feels disgusting so we are desperate for a civilized way out.

If only people could talk to each other civilly. Yeah, that would be swell. But the incivility is part and parcel of the system. It is tactical. It is the point, not a by-product.

The show was fun to watch but the message (sic) was inadvertent RW propaganda.

Stewart and Colbert surely did not see it that way. They sought an “honest broker”status from which to do good.

And, like almost everyone who has sought that status for the last thirty years they ended up embracing ideas that are of minimal interest to the left but are the very core of the right.

The problem is not that people are yelling. The problem is WHO is yelling, WHAT they are yelling about, and the infantile assumption that there is a compromise position between malice and decency that is superior to just plain decency.

The entire RW enterprise is built on the soft-headed assumption that no matter how insane their demands the right answers must lay in compromise.

Most people think like a Nickelodeon Jr. show about how to divide three cupcakes among six cute woodland animals while the RW thinks like a conquering army. There is no beneficial compromise available there.

So by all means… three days before an important election let’s have a big rally with the core message, “The Republicans are Right.”

Because that is what it is.

All the Republicans have ever needed is, “both sides do it.” They don’t need to be innocent, they only need to be tolerated so that their practices can continue unfettered.

We want to be loved. They want to get away with it.

In every election since 1968 some white Republican people in uniforms somewhere have gone to black neighborhoods on Election Day to stand around the polls hassling people and generally looking menacing. This is standard Election Day procedure.

It’s not an accident or a fluke. It is a standard part of their way of conducting elections.

If we can find video of one black guy hassling people at a polling place then it’s a wash. Thank heanens... both sides do it.

To brain dead conventional wisdom types “both sides do it” is emotionally satisfying because it sets the speaker above both sides. It is a snooty, wise, self-satisfied stance.

And it is a lie.

Intimidation at polling places (just stiking with the one example) is a standard operating procedure of the modern Republican Party that is tolerated because we consider bipartisanship a mark of intelligence and status and if we admitted that the Republican Party organizes the intimidation of black voters every two years then we could not be bipartisan.

We hear the stories every two years and they are swept into the moral phantom zone, much like a mother rationalizing the knowledge her son is a violent rapist.

I love Stewart and Colbert but they took a big mis-step in trying to make a difference without taking a stand.

You cannot have it both ways.
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 06:29 PM
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1. just because
:popcorn:
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 06:31 PM
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2. Comedians entertained people
aka "success"

I watched it in a crowd of a couple hundred on a jumbotron in San Francisco, and everyone had a good time, as intended.

If you expected more than that, then the mis-step is yours.
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jezebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 06:40 PM
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4. I agree with the OP to a certain extent that it was a missed opportunity. I dont' like the forced
equal "both sides are extreme and both sides have extremists false equation argument".
I think in Stewarts/Colbert desire to be seen as nonpolitical, they seemed timid.
But you are right that is more my perception due to my preconceived notion of what they were trying to do with the rally.
I did enjoy the signs though.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 06:49 PM
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6. Very good points!
I felt that they really only gave lip service to the false equation. They had WAY more voices from the right in their montages. Plus, Colbert's very presence as a right-wing caricature, without a left-wing caricature to balance against him, demonstrated that it really isn't both sides :)
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 06:37 PM
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3. so any non divisive action is self defeating?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 06:47 PM
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5. I didn't expect them to take a stand, K&H, and I was actually surprised by
Stewart's wrap-up speech. I would have LIKED them to, but that's not really the responsibility of comedians. I think the bits they had on got the message across pretty clear. And really, those who won't listen wouldn't have been swayed by any stand they may have taken.

I heard a caller on C-Span say he'd always voted Republican and even though he was pretty fed up with them, was planning on voting Republican in the mid-terms, but after watching the rally, thought he'd vote Dem for the first time.

So maybe they brought people on over to the light, did make a difference with some folks, without taking a stand? :shrug:

:pals:

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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 08:13 PM
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17. Yep, Stewart's speech did it for me. I think the message was ....
... perfect: "We work together every day. The only places we can't seem to get along is in Washington and on cable TV".

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 06:50 PM
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7. i saw it as a comedy rally....
it makes fun of the ken beck-style rally. the signs. the happiness as opposed to hatred. it's satire.

i didn't see it as a progressive/democratic rally.

i thought they got their point across without being political.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:21 PM
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9. Said it better than I could. nt
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:17 PM
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8. They did take a stand. They took a stand to not be assholes.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:21 PM
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10. Lots of truth in there.
Stewart admits they were just out to entertain.

Taking a stand always makes for deeper entertainment, or even art.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:24 PM
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11. Agree with you completely
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:24 PM
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12. Well said:
The problem is not that people are yelling. The problem is WHO is yelling, WHAT they are yelling about, and the infantile assumption that there is a compromise position between malice and decency that is superior to just plain decency.


:thumbsup:

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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:29 PM
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13. Valid criticism here. Thats why I say the Colbert correspondents' dinner was MUCH more
powerful and biting. That sir, was bold and biting, and worthy of highest praise, imo.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:33 PM
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14. It was brazen and brave. It was art.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:39 PM
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15. That was a very eloquent way of saying we can't compromise with them, and to suggest we can plays
into their narrative. As if they don't command numbers that are at least equal to ours where it counts, at the polls. They also play the game of politics at least as well, probably more successfully over a longer period of time, than we do. So, if we don't compromise, we can only do one thing with them. Go to war. In that respect, brother, they are at least our match, At least.

So compromise it is, unless you endorse the alternative, and are prepared to fight by rules which I'm sure you won't enjoy. Which will it be for you?
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:47 PM
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16. I think they were very careful to appeal to moderates and swing voters.
There was a lot of spin before this rally about how it would be all about insulting "Middle America" and making fun of anyone who is not part of the "liberal elite" that we hear about all over the media lately.

The right wing was salivating, waiting for the clips and images along those lines. They planned to blanket the country with evidence that Democrats and liberals are arrogant and out of touch and nasty toward average Americans.

Instead, we got a rally about moving forward, reaching out to and laughing with each other, and identifying some (not all, but some) of the most important things that are making our country sick.

I thought they did a fantastic job.

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