The hypocrisy angle allows venting a lot of dubious attitudes

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

Republicans pretend to oppose divorce, infidelity, gay sex, pornography, prostitution, hiring undocumented workers, women in the workplace rather than at home with the kids, etc..

Republicans have an amazing track record of behaving at odds with their proclaimed values.

They are hypocritical.

At the same time, the condemnations of Republican moral hypocrisy derive their energy and force from feeding off of precisely those attitudes.



There is often a glee in calling out Republican closeted gay trysts that is indistinguishable from reading Republicans talk about Barney Frank.

The attacks on Republican women usually sound like the stuff C-Span callers (who were obviously masturbating during the call) used to scream/moan abut Hillary Clinton in 1993.

And so on.


It really shouldn't be fun/thrilling to call any woman a bitch (or worse) or revel in the immorality/dirtiness of her sexual escapades.

It shouldn't be fun/thrilling to revel in the perceived loathsomeness of gay men meeting in a public rest-room.

Yeah, hypocrisy is something to be called out. But not with the zeal, language and tone of the oppressors.

[Kurovski]

1. I'm sorry you think I shouldn't moan and scream while masturbating.

I can't help it.

But I'll try to be quieter.

[rae_ann-catlady]

2. This thread made me register

because the word hypocrisy was used. I have been watching Bill Clinton spewing his lies all morning and I can't stand hearing the Clinton apologists continue. Mr. Meeks has every right to continue his csmpaign to reach the U.S. Senate and it sickens me to think that the Democratic Machine has decided to run over him. I am sickened, sad, and don't know how to respond next Tuesday.

[blondeatlast]

3. Gosh. nt

[Angry Dragon]

4. Welcome

Meeks said Crist asked him to drop out ........... not Clinton

[Kurovski]

6. Welcome.

I think I know where we'll see this thread linked.

What's your cats names? :hi:

[Name removed]

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[Kurovski]

8. So I'm right?

:rofl: Funny you should mention money.

[rae_ann-catlady]

9. Apologies,

I am so sorry, I thought I was replying to the other person. I'm just upset about the politics of politics and it seems when you speak out you have to answer to some absurd accusations. I will not be pushed around, I just won't be.

[Kurovski]

12. I love your cat names

I had a neighbor in washington who became a cat lady. It was the best thing that happened to the neighborhood. it cleared out the rats! you get a lot of rats when living near water in a rural area.

[rae_ann-catlady]

13. My neighbors

love my cats. Well, they used to complain about them pooing in their yard but then I started taking the rats and mice back to them my cats were bringing home from their yard and they became convinced. They don't say anything anymore.

[blondeatlast]

21. Really, you should clean up the poo. Yuck. nt

[kctim]

5. Ah, hypocrisy

the achilles heel of both sides.

[Kurovski]

10. The brain's defense.

The brain forgetting itself.

Sometimes It's just about very concious lying, skillfully denied.

[Fumesucker]

11. If hypocrisy was an *actual* Achilles heel in a politician..

There would be remarkably damn few of them that could walk.

[Kurovski]

14. Is that what is meant by the art of politics?

Being a hypocrite, while seeming not to be?

[Bluenorthwest]

15. That's the truth and a half!

Hypocrisy is in fact a Sacrament in politics and religion.

[Fumesucker]

19. Yeah, and when you mix the two, as American pols seem to be addicted to doing..

The hypocrisy is squared, at least.

[Kurovski]

16. It actually is quite thrilling to release emotion.

Since we're talking "shoulds", I don't know that you really should be telling people how to feel, Kurt. it's your prerogative, obviously, but I'm really weary of the wearing false equivalencies I perceive being made in some quarters between the left and right-wing extremists. The left could do with a little less guilt over their feelings, not more. it's where the right likes to trip up and manipulate lefties. Sucker-punch them, if you will.

as a gay person who has been out since 1971 and has paid a huge price for it, even from other gays, I do celebrate when a gay hypocrite is brought to heel.

We can see the cost of people saying "I can't come out...my job! My inheritance from mummy! The cruelty! My career! My partner won't! I can't!" they retained all those things by remaining in the closet, but others suffered and died because people wished to hide, as the myths and misconceptions about LGBT people were allowed to grow, fester, spread. People thought they didn't even know a gay person in some eras. But everyone, EVERYONE did.


So when someone is actually benefiting from being anti-gay, while BEING gay themselves...Kurt, I'm gonna go to it. It's not pretty, but it's way less torturous to release emotion than think I can reason with my own gut.


You are a wonderful, intelligent and witty poster, but we really disagree here. I can understand a plea for appropriateness, whatever ground that can be found on, but sometimes people are going to feel things strongly, and they should be allowed those emotions, and the responsible expression thereof.

It isn't attractive. it's just human.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

17. My delicacy in phrasing has led to a misunderstanding here...

I am not talking about your glee when a gay hypocrite is brought to heel.

I am talking about the many posters on DU who get off on equating gay and evil and are afforded the opportunity to do so under the guise of being on the "right side."

I am referring to the "Tell Hannity to get Beck's dick out his his ass" and "Ann Coulter is a nasty cunt" sort of "progressive" posts we get treated to here. Or calling Republicans "cocksuckers" as a generalized bad thing to say about a male.

And the stuff against women...

As I am sure you've noted over time, there are a lot of people here who honestly think in "fag" and "slut" terms... when they want to say something really bad abut a man or woman that's where they go.

It is no way to be and the fact they are talking about a Republican doesn't not make such slurs acceptable or even slurs.

They are not even properly slurs... or should not be here.

Growing up in the south I have known so many people who claimed they only use "nigger" to describe "one of the bad ones."

They just like saying "nigger."

And some DUers really like saying slut and bitch and cocksucker and cunt and all sorts of other things that are never really entirely specific to the target.

Ironically, I am very un PC and even anti-PC.

But it still turns my stomach to read the daily broadsides against pornography and promiscuity and same-sex sex and being a woman in general that one can find on any RW board, except it's okay because it is about tham... "the bad ones."

[rae_ann-catlady]

18. And my cat's names were deleted according

to the forum rules?

[blondeatlast]

20. No, I'm guessing it was because of the slam you made against Kurovski. I saw what you posted.

Since you seem to be unaware of it, it is frowned upon, if not quite a direct violatuion, to accuse others of being "paid to post."

Interesting that you brought it up.

[Kurovski]

22. Your beef is with people using language that is generally accepted as being hateful.

well, that's different.

Never mind. :)

Although...I grew up seeing the word "cocksucker" as a good word. And unisex at that.

While I don't like taking words out of use, I of course understand why it is generally done. I have a visceral reaction to the n-word. It represents willful hatefulness, horror and death, actual disrespect for human life. I saw--and still see--lynched humans, and dead children in my mind's eye now, and back when I heard the word growing up in the south...South Chicago, a place that was as filled with racism, but without actual (or regular) lynchings.

And yet, when I hear it uttered on say, the Boondocks, no such feeling is experienced. I have no problem with friends saying something like "You goofy fag." It feels healing and it's funny to me, yet I grew up hearing it hurled at me with hate that often had a threat of violence to it. And I can still distinguish between the two.

I was fortunate to have a mother who actively taught us that racism was not only wrong, but stupid and self-destructive. My father's example had to do, as he used language that nearly all the men used, while actually defending some blacks in argument with prouder racists in the middle of a slur-fest, if only by stating "They're not so bad.", or, "They seem like good people." and having friends, neighbors and co-workers who we saw that he treated with respect, treated as he did any other person...on their own merits, minus the casual hatefulness that was everywhere in that era. That, plus I was a huge fan of the words of Jesus Christ. those got me through the casual hatefulness regularly encountered toward others and myself. And that, I tell you, was in the midst of tremendous hypocrisy of the church and many of its members.

Others have their own personal reactions to other words, and I try to respect those feelings. But I have trouble with banning all those words all of the time.

Sometimes I think if someone is vulnerable and expresses the feelings of hurt that arise when they encounter a word, that that is a better way to go then making demands. Healthy humans do not walk around wishing to hurt people, and rise to a place of respect for other's feelings when they realise their affect on another.


(If you're out there, OmegMin, I miss you :hug:)