So, more revelations about ginning up the "evidence to justify the Bush Wars

[WCGreen]

is coming to light...

Does anyone actually think anything will happen to anyone involved in the whole stinking process?

Does anyone really think that any one of the fucking media cheerleaders still sitting at anchor desks anywhere in the US will give any of this "new" evidence one iota of the attention it deserves?

Fucking Lindsey Lohan is snorting coke off of Kanye West buttocks. NOW THAT'S NEWS, folks...

The media is like that dog in the movie UP whose attention is always being diverted to SQUIRREL.

Is it any wonder we are on the precipice of fascism in this country?

No one dares question the actions of any religious leader unless they are crying for forgiveness when they get caught with Getting that old time religious disease, cock-in-mouth.

I try to be optimistic, I really do.

But when the media keeps repeating hoary old wives tales disguised as CONVENTIONAL WISDOM, how can anyone be optimistic.

then there is the subset of liberals who throw their arms up and claim the election is fixed ahead of time so why bother...

I still Vote, I still put up yard signs in my yard, I still work on elections, I still give money when I can, I alienate friends because I speak the truth and they simply can't handle it.

It amazes me just how many of the people I know have turned out to be self-centered, self-absorbed racists.

A while back I posted that I often times feel like Cassandra, blessed to know the truth but cursed because not one person is willing to believe you until it is too late.

Damn, it's been like this since the 1980's when Reagan and his minions made it okay to attack the media. Then when merger mania swept up the media, well...

Just had to vent. Todays story about yet another former military person claiming that the Bush Administration was lying about the evidence for the war got under my skin. If I could see through the lies and the bullshit, why couldn't Wolf Blitzen and the rest of his war mongering ilk see it as well...

[Sonoman]

1. "the precipice of facism"?

Dude, it is a done deal.

Everything has been Sold American.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0mgmQl8Dmw

Yeah, I know Kinky is a fuck-stick, but I always liked this song.

Sonoman

[WCGreen]

3. Yea, he is a piece of work...

I told you twice that I was optimistic, LOL...

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. Nothing to add, but K&R

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. And that war isn't over.

[fearandloathing]

5. You have to nip it in the bud

The problem with all these after the event revelations is that they are totally damn useless. Your average power junkie politician knows damn well that there will be revelations 5 or 10 years down the road. But what does that matter? They've already gotten what they want. A scam artist doesn't care if you figure things out a year later. They've already changed their identity and put the money in Swiss bank accounts.

I actually think that the future of really effective reporting will be in magazines like Rolling Stone. They'll largely make their money with pop-culture bullshit but they'll use it to fund serious reporting that isn't afraid of the establishment because they aren't dependent on it. Playboy. Except you really do read it for the articles.

[WCGreen]

6. I do loathe fear....

But it is always so damn effective.

Which, of course, gets us to the bottom line of it all.

Venal people seek political office and are manipulated by those who fear discovery.

[JDPriestly]

7. The only good news is that it looks like California is becoming more

and more and more liberal and more and more sensible.

As California goes, so goes the nation -- ultimately.

Of course the polls could be wrong, but --- at least for now, things look and feel really good in California.

Democrats are lying low, but especially young Democrats are enthusiastic and proud to vote for Barbara Boxer and Jerry Brown -- two of the very best.

[Bluebear]

8. Well, the President says we are supposed to "move on" from the Bush crimes

:(

[WCGreen]

9. Then he is part of the problem....

But that die was cast eight years ago and president Obama knows that if expended all his energy fighting the last war would take precious energy from his platform.

[JDPriestly]

10. Look, we did not get out of Viet Nam until 1975 although Daniel

Ellsberg released the Pentagon Papers in 1969.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg

And then when we did finally leave, we made a horrible mess of it, leaving good friends, loyal friends behind to suffer the consequences of the war.

And why did we do that? Because we did not know when to say we were finished. Nixon did not want to have to admit to the American people what we had lost that war long before 1969.

Just as in 1969, Americans, Republicans and Democrats alike, are afraid to face reality.

I knew in 1965 that we could never win in Viet Nam. I was studying in France and met Vietnamese from both sides of the conflict there. They were all sort of "courting" American students, trying to influence us, trying to get us to side with their side in Viet Nam. At the time, most of us had no idea of what was going on there.

I really did not like the students I met who supported the Communists. They were overbearing, manipulative people who were trying to fool me by using euphemisms -- like the French words for eliminate the bourgeosie instead of murder a lot of innocent people. They were disgusting. They were hateful. And their hate and bloodthirst was completely inhuman.

I did not like the Communist Vietnames - as people - and therefore I did not trust their point of view.

But then I met a Catholic priest who claimed to support the South Vietnamese of the time. I went to his house and he showed me one of his most precious possessions -- a book of Vietnamese folk tales. We spoke French, of course. He apparently did not know any English. I knew that the Vietnamese could never win the war when I looked inside his precious book and read in English that it had been Made in the Republic of North Viet Nam.

The North Vietnamese owned the culture of the country.

Here, our fairy tales, our myths, the stories that make us a nation, are owned by those who own our movie industry, our TVs and our radio stations. And, dear DUers, those people are the big corporations.

As you can tell, I am not a Communist. I'm not a corporatist either. I am a peacenik if anything. And I assure you, like the dear priest I met in France and like most Americans, I am reading and watching only what the masters of my country print or show.

So, of course, nothing can change. We just have to wait and try to make the best of what is happening and talk to people and change their minds one by one.

Here in California, voters are apparently, if the polls are right, making some smart decisions. That's a good sign.

[WCGreen]

11. I see where you are coming from....

But the ending the war is a different issue than prosecuting those responsible for that war.

I do see some good to come from these revelations and that is to sour the public mood for more war in Iraq and Afghanistan. But no one of consequence will be prosecuted or even held accountable for their actions.

In a very strong way, Ellsberg legitimized the anti-war protests.

These current revelations will just lay there since there is no strong anti-war movement. Just a sense of weariness