I know how to fix Shrub's fucking ass

[jmowreader]

Let's send him an Iraq funding bill that...

doesn't contain a timeline for withdrawal
doesn't contain any domestic spending
BUT...that contains, in language as unreadable as the PATRIOT Act, a one-percent pay cut for the military.

You read that right: A pay CUT.

After Bush signs it, and he will, we march soldiers before the camera to rail about how little he supports them.

[Wiley50]

1. I thought you were gonna say "put Jeff Gannon back in the press pool" n/t

[Nickster]

2. I can't get behind taking from the troops like that. They've already been screwed enough

by Dubya. He'll sign the bill in your example, the war will continue, and the "liberal" media will say how it was all the plan of the Dems to hurt the troops because they couldn't sway Dubya. It's a non-starter in my book.

[jmowreader]

5. That's what Emergency Funding Bills are for...

After we embarrass Dipshit by letting him sign a pay cut into effect, we'll just whip up a nice quick two-percent increase and send it up. You know he won't veto that.

[Nickster]

8. Eh, I still can't get behind it. We'd get so much blowback for not supporting the troops, plus he'd

get his way yet again. Any message would be lost by the howling at how terrible dems are, blah blah. Not to mention, I'm sick and tired of all these Emergency Funding Bills. Those "fiscal" conservatives need to get their asses back into gear and start putting stuff in the budget where it belongs.

[mzteris]

3. How? Get his head out of it?

I'd :rofl: - but it's true. :sigh:

[PurpleChez]

4. Won't work....

When * vetoes a bill with a pay raise for troops the knuckle-draggers think he's standing firm by his convictions. If he signs a bill with a CUT they'll blame the Congressional Dems. I'm coming to realize that the cognitive dissonance inside these nutjobs' heads is unprecedented.

[Rosemary2205]

7. Bingo

We have to get into our heads that Republicans are terrorists. You cannot deal with a terrorist in any way shape or form. All you can do is destroy any ability they have to function in society in any meaningful way. For Republicans it means taking away every tool, every toy, every ounce of power.

There is NO "good" option in dealing with Republicans. There is only bad and worse. (to take liberties with Obama's words)

[PurpleChez]

9. What I still don't get....

I'm old enough to remember the entirety of the Reagan years. I know that people loved the old yutz, and today they revere him as some sort of demigod--but I just do not remember the need (on the part of the media or the man in the street) to manipulate and contort every single event, statement, etc., in order to promote the notion that EVERYTHING he did or said was infallible. I mean...even other rethugs openly opposed him on Apartheid. People were able to acknowledge that he could misspeak, that he could make mistakes. So why is it DUMBYA of all people who has inspired this need on the part of one third of the population and much of the media to believe that everything he has ever said is perfect?

[Rosemary2205]

10. IMHO

the change in temperment between the Reagan years and the W years is largely due to the rise of the neocons and RW hate radio. But you also have the fact legalized abortion in the late 70's and people like Madeline O'Hare daring to stand up for herself and her family energized far right churches in a new way. I think it took some time to get machine rolling.

IMHO between the Pat Robertsons and Falwell (RIP) telling thier rapturist minions that they have a divine right (and responsibility) to impose themselves on the world - then you have the neocons using hate radio to brainwash people into believe every centrist or liberal in America is a god hating heathen who want to rape little boys and abort every child -- and Bill Clinton is living proof that Satan has taken over America -- then low and behold God himself gave us a born again Christian just in time for God vs Allah in a cage match.

A confluence of events over time - egged on by hate radio and overzealous preachers. -- That's MHO.

[PurpleChez]

13. No doubt at all that RW radio has helped spread these ideas,

and they get more circulation now than in the reagan years...but I think the attitudes have changed as well as the means of broadcasting them. 20+ years ago a lot of people may have loved Ronald Reagan, but they were able to accept the idea that he could make mistakes and I don't think they were particularly concerned with convincing anyone differently. But today it would seem, in spite of Chimpy's slide in the polls, that a goodly portion of the population still finds it emotionally necessary to convince themselves -- and to try to convince everyone around them -- that GWB is infallible. What Al Franken said is so true -- liberals look on gov't as they do their spouse/SO/life partner, while conservatives look on it as Mommy, and Mommy never makes a mistake. But I just don't think that that would have applied to conservatives of one or two generations ago, let alone earlier.

[onenote]

6. how would Democrats avoid taking the blame for cutting military pay?

Talk about a risky strategy. You assume that the wording that would cut military pay wouldn't be parsed out by someone on the repub side. And then the Democrats would take all the heat.

Yikes.

[Richard Steele]

11. Dude, whoever WROTE such a bill would get the blame, not the Shrubtater. nm

[Screwfly]

12. A good, solid

leak saying congress is pulling the plug on the Iraq war would be enough to put the farcical Iraqi government out of its misery, and conclude our involvement in that country.