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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:21 PM Original message |
Ignorantly believing that sexuality is a choice does not make one homophobic (or heterophobic). |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. Were you the official White House liaison to the LGBT community when you were a kid? n/t |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
123. Thank you, QC. This is 2010. The President's Senior Counsel. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #123 |
130. My grandmother believed that the moon landing was faked on a Hollywood back lot. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. Agreed! |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
138. oh please, overly sensitive my foot |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
3. Good lord. What claptrap. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Where in her statements can you show me that she said that? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. She cleared that up in her apology |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Its definately a witch hunt for some. Which is sad because it takes the eye off the real enemies. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
141. I think it's the institutionalized homophobia evidenced by her use of the phrase... |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
181. Bull. Shit. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
5. I can't even get past your use of the term "heterophobic" |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Of course heterophobia is pretty much nonexistent. I was just making a rhetorical point. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. OMG! You used a wrong word! Off to the homophobic dungeon for you! |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
108. "pretty much" being the operative term here... eom |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 03:50 AM Response to Reply #5 |
175. Heterophobia link |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
6. This argument would fly if Ms Jarrett happened to be 12 yrs old |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Criticizing her ignorance is fine. It still does not mean she is homophobic. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. What else is she 'ignorant' about? Will she denounce interracial marriage? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Straw men to my left, straw men to my right. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
89. You're not listening to anyone on this thread |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #89 |
96. I'm listening to plenty of people. I'm just not listening to you. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. And seriously, you advocate people losing their jobs because they don't believe someone is born gay? |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. When your job is advising the President? Absolutely. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Wow, punished for a personal thought and not one that indicates prejudice. |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. Not concerned with prejudice |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Astonishing? The point of view that its a choice is wrong. But its also still fairly mainstream. |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. I'm not astonished that someone holds that opinion |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
184. How would you feel if she believed the earth is flat? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Certainly all Presidential advisers should n/t |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #31 |
182. In a DEMOCRATIC adminisration? |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. It means she's a fucking idiot. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
8. heterophobic? really? -- you and valerie need help. nt |
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VMI Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Its like reverse racism: some bullshit racists made up. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I didn't say that to indicate that heterophobia exists. It basically doesn't. |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. What I've gathered from today is that it's the poor put upon |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Such a divisive attitude. |
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cwydro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
51. I know, right? |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
44. Right.... |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 06:43 AM Response to Reply #8 |
177. Linked above in response 175. |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
9. You may have a point. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Which VJ did |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Something else that bothers me about what she said is the timing |
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cbdo2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
11. Maybe straight people should just stay out of LGBT issues all together? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
57. Um, all the 'issues' are straight issues. The bigotry comes from |
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cbdo2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #57 |
78. You don't prevent my equality or happiness but the fact is that there is still |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #78 |
137. I think straight people should see to the plank in their own eye |
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cbdo2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #137 |
162. I get what you're saying, I know straight people are 100% of the problem... |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
74. If you can't speak without your homophobia bubbling to the service |
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cbdo2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #74 |
83. Ok....I'll stop supporting same sex marriage, if that's what you prefer. |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Ah, another conditional ally. Seems to be a lot of those around here. |
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cbdo2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #84 |
95. Right conditional - you respect me and I'll respect you. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #84 |
116. I can't speak for that person. But gay or straight, progressives support equal rights w/o condition. |
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JustFiveMoreMinutes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
13. Your apologetic post then would be comparable to 'Women who.. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Please, elaborate how anything I said implies anything like that, and make sense this time. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
29. I don't think so, but even if it were.... |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #29 |
129. LOL! It doesn't get more "blame the victim" than that. |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
17. omg |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. It just keeps getting uglier and uglier n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
136. Deleted message |
Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
26. She is a highly compensated 'communications' specialist |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
27. You might have a valid point if it weren't for a couple of things |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. No, you are being prejudiced in assuming that it indicates anti-GLBT feelings. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Yeah, you're right, |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Horse shit from your first sentence. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick, would you listen to yourself! |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #41 |
54. I stand by my statement 100%. The origins of sexual preference should be irrelevant. |
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TriMera (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. Sexual preference. Really? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. Wow, the incorrect understanding of what the word preference means is insane. |
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TriMera (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. The word preference implies a choice. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. No, it does not. Consider yourself ignorant. |
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TriMera (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. Okay, I'll just let you keep running around here |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #85 |
124. You don't have the ability to let or not let me do anything. |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #85 |
185. +1,000,000 |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. I'm from Missouri, show me. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. LOL Stupid. Its like you expect me to start giving out people's facebook addresses or something. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #71 |
86. No, not wanting facebook addresses |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. I showed you myself when I was younger. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #90 |
98. That's the key, WHEN YOU WERE YOUNGER! |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #98 |
103. No thats not the key. Many great people spent their whole lives being wrong about certain things. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #103 |
118. So you're just completely overlooking the fact that she is the administration liaison |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #118 |
121. No it doesn't. Making a choice is not inferior to being born a certain way. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #121 |
125. Again, you're overlooking the fact that she is the administration liaison, |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #125 |
142. Its not inconvenient for me in the slightest. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #142 |
148. Keep on showing those true colors, |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:00 PM Response to Reply #148 |
153. More cliches, more fake passion. Thats all you got at this point. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #153 |
157. No, you know what I've really got at this point? Disgust, sheer and simple disgust |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. Deleted message |
Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #158 |
166. Epic and disgusting fail but a fine representation of what we're up against. n/t |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 05:00 PM Response to Reply #121 |
186. Jesus fucking christ |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #54 |
111. "sexual preference." That really says it all. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. Being offended by "sexual preference" displays a misunderstanding of the scientific term. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Speaking of "sexual preference" reveals a staggering ignorance |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. I refuse to acknowledge ridiculous, imaginary sociopolitical contexts. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #120 |
128. That context might well be ridiculous, but it's not imaginary, as it is a cornerstone |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #128 |
143. So what? The religious right also uses charitable giving as a frame to get people to give them money |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #54 |
134. I'm Straight and Have to Say, you are missing a big point here |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #134 |
144. I'm not missing a damn thing. I just don't agree with that equation. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #144 |
178. if you say so... I think listening to what the gay community is saying to you here... |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 03:11 AM Response to Reply #39 |
174. Yes it does! |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
169. +1000 nt |
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cwydro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
53. Yup. |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
36. Un-reccing for total cluelessness...n/t |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Give yourself a high five for refuting nothing. |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
38. People jump on any old little thing all the time |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Would you feel the same if she used a racial slur, as opposed to an orientation slur? nt |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #42 |
59. Now that you mention it... |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
43. I looked for any video that showed her saying that, didn't find it, but did |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #43 |
145. What in the world does celibacy have to do with anything? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
46. What does using a phrase a woman in her position should know is offensive make her? |
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VMI Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Bigoted. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. Deleted message |
Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Ah, have you revealed your true motivation here? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Your post is rhetorical nonsense full of false equations. Why should I bother? |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. So you'll be taking the standard cop-out then? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Calling you out for false equations is pretty much my argument and a valid one. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. How can I address what you perceive to be a "false equation"... |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #76 |
88. You wrote 4-5 sentences. Its not very hard to read your own post... |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #88 |
97. Um, "lifestyle choice" is a slur. You seem to not realize that. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. No, its not. And 1 of my main points is we need to take that argument away from the other side. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:28 PM Response to Reply #102 |
139. Wow, you're just totally clueless, aren't you |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #139 |
147. Is it a slur when someone says you made lifestyle choice about things that aren't sexuality related? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #147 |
150. Have you finally twisted yourself into a pretzel shape by now? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #150 |
154. LOL, defaulting to the same things you say every thread when you are losing an argument. |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #102 |
187. My father tells me all the time that he isn't a racist. |
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Rhythm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
48. You lost me at the term "sexual preferences" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. I don't think the term "sexual preference" necessarily implies choice. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. That person doesn't understand that the word preference applies to non-choices as well as choices. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
61. What the hell is wrong with "sexual preference"? Thats incredibly silly. |
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cwydro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
49. Good for you for using "orientation" in most of your post. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. No. You do prefer men. You were born to prefer men. Prefer does not always imply choice. |
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cwydro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Uh no. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. LOL. My apologies. Thats embarassing. |
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cwydro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #73 |
159. No worries. |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #64 |
94. I prefer trim men who are shorter and slightly younger than me. |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 09:50 PM Response to Reply #94 |
164. as a youth, I would have "preferred" to be straight |
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CBR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
101. Honestly until the Jarrett comment, I did not know |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. Yea I didnt get the memo on preference either. Being a scientifically used phrase and all... |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 02:37 AM Response to Reply #105 |
173. "Scientific"? By whom and in what context? |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #101 |
113. This is a good thing. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
50. I wonder if all the naysayers here read through to your last sentence: |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #50 |
67. No, many are purposefully missing the good stuff so they can pick at petty non-issues. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #50 |
75. That 'choice' trip is the dogma of the McClurkin ex-gay churches |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #75 |
93. You must have read that post too quickly, because |
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GoneOffShore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
79. You make good pragmatic points well backed up. |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
80. Yeah it does. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. No it doesn't. |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #82 |
99. I disagree. Supporting equal rights in that case is hollow. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. No its not. In that case it would be like supporting equal rights for religion. |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
87. Yes it is. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. If you believe all sexual orientation is a choice, then you are also saying straight people are. |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. If you believe that SO is a choice, then it is not us that is delusional. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #100 |
106. Wouldn't you say that "gay people are born gay" is a relatively new fact for our society? |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. No. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. Whether gay people knew it or not is irrelevant. |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #114 |
132. Irrelevant? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #132 |
149. Yea irrelevant when I'm talking about mainstream societally accepted points of view. |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:19 PM Response to Reply #149 |
167. So you think straight people are "mainstream"? |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #106 |
133. So, in other words, |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
91. You may have been confused as a teen, but she is nearly 54 years old - |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
109. Ignorantly believing that sexuality is a choice does not make one homophobic (or heterophobic). |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
112. "should be something that we practice in a civil society" |
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Yeshuah Ben Joseph (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
119. Does believing "heterophobia" even exists make one ignorant? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. Who believes in heterophobia? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #122 |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #119 |
126. heterophobia is an interesting and novel term regardless |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #119 |
131. Deleted message |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
127. So you're whole point is that it's ok to use the term sexual preference? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #127 |
156. Its a scientific term. And one that is not used to exclusively imply choice. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #156 |
160. Then you'll continue to offend gay folks such as myself. |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #156 |
165. wrong |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #165 |
171. +1000 nt |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
135. what some do to spin against criticism |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
140. M'kay |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
146. If she's that ignorant, she's the wrong person for the job |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #146 |
155. I'm fine with someone having that opinion. It still doesn't mean she is a homophobe. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
161. Ignorantly believing that Jews run the world does not make one anti-semitic |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #161 |
172. Good point nt |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #161 |
180. LOL! Well of COURSE not. |
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BlueCheese (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
163. I kind of agree and kind of disagree. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
168. Ignorantly believing that blacks are lazy does not make one a racist. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 11:29 PM Response to Reply #168 |
170. One can believe blacks are lazy but still believe they deserve equal rights. |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 05:01 AM Response to Original message |
176. Validating ignorance is what cheapens an argument. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
179. Thank God for unrec. I shudder to think of this having positive recs. n/t |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #179 |
188. For real. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #188 |
189. From time to time it's open season on the queers. |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
183. Valerie Jarrett |
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