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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 12:17 PM
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Can left-leaning Mom N' Pops bring down the Chamber of Commerce?
Edited on Thu Oct-14-10 12:32 PM by Kalyke
Are their any small business owners here?

Or spouses of small business owners. Or a person who has positive influence over a small business owner?

If so, are you (your spouse, other) members of the local Chamber of Commerce in your town?

And, if you are, have considered dropping your membership over the national chamber's shenanigans regarding their massive purchasing of ads against Democrats across the nation?

If enough small businesses drop out, citing this point, would it be enough to offset any donations from the, ahem, not-so-small (read small divisions of huge multinational corporations) businesses who also belong?

Is anyone spearheading a movement like this?

On Edit: Tweaked the headline to get more views. This is important.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 12:33 PM
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1. Anyone?
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 02:33 PM
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12. We dropped out a long time ago. nt
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northoftheborder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 12:40 PM
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2. Local Chambers of Commerce
I wonder whether local Chambers of Commerce are really connected to the U. S. Chamber of Commerce. Seems as though I have some dim record in my brain about a disconnect between them; the locals probably send some of their fees to the national, but I doubt whether they have any voice in lobbying, campaign contributions, etc.. on a national scale. Some research needed here, before we start boycotting local Chambers. I used to be a member of a small town Chamber, but I believe all of their funds went to maintaining an office and part-time employee, and on printed materials pertaining to tourism and publicizing local businesses at conventions, etc..
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 12:41 PM
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3. I was wondering that, too.
What types of businesses make up the national Chamber.

I'll go look.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 01:17 PM
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5. Apparently, they're as tight-lipped on membership in the United States
as they are about their foreign donations. I saw no "members list" on their site.
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 01:48 PM
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9. The only thing they have in Common is the same name.
I once had an office in a building that had a local Chamber HQ. A couple of young guys sold memberships and did promotions on a commission basis. It was just a social networking organization
for self-employed people looking for friends and business associates. They never got involved in politics and did not donate to candidates.
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immune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 01:01 PM
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4. I think Mom and Pop's would benefit greatly
by organizing (loosely) and creating local currencies. Actually, everyone would benefit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_community_currencies_in_the_United_States

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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 01:18 PM
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6. Good idea!
Thanks for posting that link.
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immune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 01:30 PM
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7. You're welcome.
If you do a web search on local currency, alternate currency or community currency, there's a ton of information out there on why they're so good for a community, how to set one up and how they work.
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tosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 01:37 PM
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8. Small business owner here.
:hi:

Yes, we (our business) are members of our local chamber.

I have never been under the impression that our local chamber had any affiliation whatsoever with either the US COC or our state COC.

Our local chamber organizes receptions, street sales an annual dinner for members and things of that nature and occasionally gets involved in a local-level issue. They also promote tourism and serve as a tourism office, FWIW. It is very small.

I am 99.99% certain that none of our dues are submitted to the US COC.

Is the membership worth the cost? I have no idea.

As a side note, I served for a while on the founding board of our local animal welfare organization. It had decided to name itself the "Humane Society of ....". We were forever catching unexpected flak due to a presumed association with HSUS when there was never any such association. It is only a name, a widely used name.
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 01:59 PM
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10. This info might help sort this out...
or not. I think this came up when they opposed climate change legislation as being "anti-business."



http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/14/chamber-membership /

As Mother Jones reported yesterday, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce consistently says that its membership is 3 million, even though it’s actually closer to 200,000. The reason for the artificial inflation is that the organization is counting the memberships of 2,800 state and local chambers around the country, even though many of these businesses have no relationship with the national organization. Some of these members are now protesting the Chamber’s numbers game:

“They don’t represent me,” says Mark Jaffe, CEO of the Greater New York Chamber of Commerce, which is a dues-paying member of the national group. … Jaffe also scoffed at the US Chamber’s oft-repeated claim to “represent 3 million businesses of all sizes, sectors, and regions.” … “They are playing games” with their numbers, Jaffe said. “They don’t have half the businesses in America as registered, dues-paying members.”

– Jaffe’s objections to the US Chamber’s policies were echoed by Rob Black, vice-president of public policy for the San Francisco Chamber of Commerce. “We take a fundamentally different approach than the US Chamber,” he said, adding that while the national Chamber opposes the Waxman-Markey climate bill, “we support a market-driven cap-and-trade system.”

A day after this public scrutiny began, the Chamber is quietly backing down. At a press conference this morning, Chamber officials “repeatedly cited a membership of 300,000. That’s a tenth as many members as the Chamber claimed a day earlier.”

US Chamber Shrinks Membership 90%
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2009/10/us-chamber-cave...

Yo, Chamber of Commerce, You Speakin' For Me?
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2009/10/yo-chamber-comm...




And how about this one for being relevant to the current allegations about the C of C's foreign money. Curious, no? I wonder if anyone knew about this issue back when this came up:


U.S. Chamber of Commerce joins fight against Buy American
Source: Globe and Mail Update, Thursday, Jun. 11, 2009 03:24PM EDT

A major U.S. business group has joined Ottawa in pushing the Obama administration to loosen Buy American purchasing restrictions that have shut many Canadian companies out of lucrative U.S. contracts.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce said Thursday it will urge the U.S. Office of Management and Budget to give government agencies, states and cities greater freedom on where they buy products as the United States deploys billions in economic stimulus cash.

U.S. businesses and local governments are quickly waking up to the reality that Buy American restrictions are likely to cause them substantial harm, particularly if countries such as Canada retaliate with protectionism of their own, said Myron Brilliant, the chamber's senior vice-president of international.

“We could be at risk for billions of dollars and we're very concerned about those numbers,” Mr. Brilliant told reporters in Washington.

Read more: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/us-chambe... /



Or how about this, their being a driving force behind right wing think tanks that blossomed along with PACs:



Lewis F. Powell

Thom Hartmann spent a bunch of time on this guy yesterday, and he should become well known among all who would get excessive Corporate influence OUT of everything that matters to this Country.
Introduction
In 1971, Lewis F. Powell, then a corporate lawyer and member of the boards of 11 corporations, wrote a memo to his friend Eugene Sydnor, Jr., the Director of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The memorandum was dated August 23, 1971, two months prior to Powell's nomination by President Nixon to the U.S. Supreme Court.

The Powell Memo did not become available to the public until long after his confirmation to the Court. It was leaked to Jack Anderson, a liberal syndicated columnist, who stirred interest in the document when he cited it as reason to doubt Powell's legal objectivity. Anderson cautioned that Powell "might use his position on the Supreme Court to put his ideas into practice...in behalf of business interests."

Though Powell's memo was not the sole influence, the Chamber and corporate activists took his advice to heart and began building a powerful array of institutions designed to shift public attitudes and beliefs over the course of years and decades. The memo influenced or inspired the creation of the Heritage Foundation, the Manhattan Institute, the Cato Institute, Citizens for a Sound Economy, Accuracy in Academe, and other powerful organizations. Their long-term focus began paying off handsomely in the 1980s, in coordination with the Reagan Administration's "hands-off business" philosophy.

Most notable about these institutions was their focus on education, shifting values, and movement-building - a focus we share, though usually with contrasting goals. One of our great frustrations is that "progressive" foundations and funders have failed to learn from the success of these corporate institutions and decline to fund the Democracy Movement that we and a number of similarly-focused organizations are attempting to build. Instead, they overwhelmingly focus on damage control, band-aids and short-term results which provide little hope of the systemic change we so desperately need to reverse the trend of growing corporate dominance.

more at link:
http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountabilit...


I know, I had better not get on any small planes after pasting this info here. There is more to demonstrate what a right wing tumor this organization has become. Remember Jaycees?


I cannot come here too frequently these days, as the demographic has shifted so radically that it is unrecognizable from the site it was when I first discovered it in 2001. Suffice to say, I had these tidbits cached in the robdogbucky archives, so I thought I would contribute here. I wonder what the Clown Car Contingent has to say about it?





Just my dos centavos


robdogbucky
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 07:17 AM
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15. KO did a piece last night on the difference, too.
Basically, as someone already said on this thread - the only recourse is the voters. We have to show the USCOC that all their money doesn't buy our votes.

Sadly, I don't hold out much hope of that working in a few places. If you've got the likes of Fiorina and Whitman running close enough to Boxer and Brown in California, then there has definitely already been a lot of brainwashing occurring before we noticed.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 02:30 PM
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11. Perhaps not, but the voters can...
The ONLY thing that matters at this point is getting voters to the polls on November 2nd.

You can help do that.

Volunteer down at Democratic HQ. They need people to make phone calls, knock on doors, compile lists of local events, do data entry, etc.

Help others get their early ballots in case they can't get out on election day.

Get a yard sign.

Talk to your cousin/nephew/aunt etc.

We need to focus on this or the next two years of DU will be not about how to improve the country, but about limiting damage.

thanks,

Scuba
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 07:08 AM
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13. I would if there was such an animal in East Tennessee
We had, maybe 5 or 6 Democrats running in the local elections this year (and most of them are my council member, state house member, etc. - my area of town is a Democratic oasis in a sea of Republican stupidity. In fact, in a recent story regarding gay couples, a Realtor told a same-sex couple moving to town that they should buy either in my part of town or the part of town adjoining to the south it to bypass any "problems." The next adjoining part of town to the north of my area was to be avoided. The Realtor wasn't being a jerk to the couple at all, btw, - he/she was just stating the truth. Sad, isn't it?)

Our Democratic candidate for governor is running about 25 points behind the Republican (my city's mayor, FWIW), but, at least the mayor isn't a Tea Partier. The Tea Party candidate was knocked out during the primary.

And, from the looks of polling, we will go from five Democratic and four Republican US congressmen to seven Republican and two Democratic US congressmen after this election.

Tennessee is fast becoming broken - but the voters didn't do it alone. With a sluggish to non-existent state Democratic party who hasn't sent out a decent candidate for any statewide office since the outgoing governor, Phil Bredesen (who started strong, but has increasingly become nothing but a DINO) and a media structure that doesn't allow any voices that aren't to the right of Hitler, the voters think they have no choice but to vote against their own pocketbooks. Sigh.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 07:15 AM
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14. The Only US Is In The Name...
I've been a member of local chambers...and as the poster above, I never saw nor heard of any money going to the state or national. If there was, it was the minimal in dues. I'm no longer a member as my business no longer is local in nature...many othes I knew dropped out when the large corporates came in and ran out the little guys not only from the marketplace but from the Chamber and Rotary as well.

About bringing down the CoC...the big pockets will only be brought down when they see that their money is going to waste. It's crucial the Democrats shine a light on the Chamber of Horrors use of foreign money as well as the large corporates who really are behind them. They need to be villified and made into a political liability. It may not happen this cycle, but this has to be done to minimize their impact and burn holes in their wallets.

Forget campaign finance reform as long as we live in a Citizens United world...its just accelerating a money pit that will continue to grow. Few politicians will fight it as most will need to raise more and more money in the years ahead.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 08:03 AM
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16. If you drop your membership, they retaiiate.
Trust me, we've tried. They do nothing for small business. In fact, they're way more interested in luring the next big box competitor to put us out of business. But if you don't pay your dues, you get blackballed. And our town is small enough (in size and mindedness) for that to made a difference.

We do have a Main Street committee. They try, but get no support from the city or the Chamber.

We tried to initiate the 3/50 Project, but you really need that support for it to be successful. http://www.the350project.net/home.html
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 08:08 AM
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17. Our left-leaning small business hates the Chamber
I wish more businesses would drop out of this hate-filled organization.
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