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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-10 11:30 PM
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PA charter school gives 4 million of public money to a church for rent.
Edited on Wed Oct-13-10 11:31 PM by madfloridian
There is just so much wrong with that picture. Looks like the school is getting its charter revoked, but it will remain open while they appeal the decision.

This truly is weaving a tangled web.

From the Americans United Wall of Separation.

According to the northeast Pennsylvania newspaper, a congregation in the community has been shamelessly profiting from its relationship with a charter school located at the church facility. Reported the Record, “More than $4 million in public money flowed to Shawnee Tabernacle Church by way of the Pocono Mountain Charter School over the past five years, according to documents made public Thursday.

Change seems to be brewing. The Record says the Pocono Mountain School District’s board of directors has voted unanimously to revoke the school’s charter. After 16 hearings and 2,000 pages of testimony, the seven directors concluded that church and state had become inappropriately entangled at the charter school.

Let’s hope that wise decision stands.

This incident is just the latest in a long string of church-state abuses involving “public” charter schools. A fundamentalist charter school in Idaho wants to use the Bible as a primary textbook, a charter school in Minnesota is in court because of its alleged promotion of Islam and a Hebrew language charter school in Florida dropped a textbook after complaints that it was infused with religion. In many states, financially strapped Catholic schools are converting to publicly funded charters while remaining on church property and keeping many of the same staff and students.


This kind of thing is going on all over the country, and those in control of the DOE are not doing anything about it. Local districts are even having to fight their own states in some cases to maintain control of schools.

Here is more about the Pocono school from a Northwest Pennysylvania newspaper.

Taxpayers paid $4M to church for school

More than $4 million in public money flowed to Shawnee Tabernacle Church by way of the Pocono Mountain Charter School over the past five years, according to documents made public Thursday.

.."Pocono Mountain School District's board of directors voted 7-0 Wednesday night to revoke the school's charter, and cited this outlay of public money — among others — as evidence that church and state had become inappropriately entangled at the charter school.

.."He added that penalizing a church for renting space to a public school would be tantamount to curtailing a church's right to engage in legal activity.


There's a difference he does not seem to understand when it is public money paying the rent to the church.

The school board called its decision to revoke the charter on the basis of entanglement of church and state an "inescapable conclusion" that it reached after 16 hearings that produced 2,000 pages of testimony.


There is a lot of this blending of public money and religion going on now in the charter movement. In Indiana two Catholic schools convert to charters. They get one million of taxpayer money right away.

They will still be run by the diocese.

The Archdiocese of Indianapolis has announced that it will convert two Catholic schools into publicly funded charter schools – but will continue to run them itself through a corporation it controls. The decision to retain control of the schools – absent religious trappings – is a first (The Washington and Miami archdioceses have both turned schools over to other charter-school operators.).


In Florida, from the same link, 7 Catholic schools and 1 evangelical have been allowed by the state to become charters to save them from financial disaster.

Because the parishes are leasing their former school buildings to the charter schools, they are deriving income from the properties. The amount ranges between $150,000 and $350,000 this first year, “depending on the size, capacity and condition of the facilities,” according to Fernando Zulueta, president of Academica, a company that provides management and support services for most of the charter schools opening on archdiocesan properties.


Profit for the churches both from the taxpayers and from real estate transactions.

There is another interesting comment from the very first link.

The bottom line: as we look for ways to improve public schools, we must not be distracted by simplistic “solutions” that really aren’t solutions at all. Charter schools may be part of the answer, but they are not a panacea for all of our ills — a cartoonish Hollywood documentary notwithstanding. I was disappointed to see that the students featured in “Waiting for Superman” were recent guests of the president at the White House. I understand that the Obama administration likes charter schools, but that’s no reason to assist in promotion of an anti-public-school propaganda film.




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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-10 11:38 PM
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1. So much to worry about that is pointed out in this OP
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 12:17 AM
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2. With no oversight of the charters, things like this flourish.
Because in the end it is about profit more than anything else.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 12:28 AM
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3. The motto of this country has become ........
"Follow the Money"!!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 01:04 AM
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4. You might be right.
And in the field of education that should not be happening.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 02:25 PM
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20. its also about aiding the forces of reaction.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 10:07 AM
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5. The pastor plans to open another school in Scranton.
Even though this one has had its charter revoked.

http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/pocono-charter-school-hopes-for-scranton-location-1.1047410

"A man whose charter school in Monroe County has had its charter revoked by the Pocono Mountain School District plans to open a school in Scranton. Pastor Dennis Bloom, chief executive of Pocono Mountain Charter School, calls the allegations - including misuse of taxpayer funds for religious purposes - false, and hopes to have the Mathematics Intellect and Technology Charter School open in Scranton for the 2011-12 school year. He hopes to enroll 300 students and is already accepting applications.

"The people need a charter school. They need alternative education," the Rev. Bloom said. "This is what we want to bring for students. It gives the people of the city a choice."

...In a decision announced last week, the Pocono Mountain School Board "reached the inescapable conclusion that Pocono Mountain Charter School is significantly and improperly entangled with Shawnee Tabernacle Church."

Violations cited by the school district in its adjudication include spending charter school funds - which are taxpayer dollars - for benefit of the church and the Rev. Bloom and intentionally exposing students to religious objects during the school day.

Allegations by the school district include..the spending of $39,200 of taxpayer money to install a large electronic message board with the name of the church at the top of the sign. Religious messages are shown on the board."
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 10:14 AM
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6. At the very MINIMUM no tax dollars should ever to go churches.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 02:23 PM
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18. I have no problem with some money going to programs they run.
As long as those programs are completely separate from the service provided. I am thinking along the lines of organizations such as Lutheran Social Services which recieves state and fed money to provide low cost social services like counseling / mental health / social workers to those in need. I've used them myself a long time ago and we work with them at our clinic. They do good work, don't preach and have set practices that separate the church from the service both physically and financially.

I am OK with that, but the intermingling in the OP's examples are completely unacceptable. Were I the local government I would hand the church a bill, report them to the IRS for possible violations and review of their tax free status, plus the local media should be contacted and their "local crooks" investigative units should be tipped off about a scam artist masquerading as a preacher is scamming the good local folks of the church.

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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 10:20 AM
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7. WTF?
I just recommended this post and by the time I went to comment it was down to zero recommendations again? How is that possible?

KIPP, is that you pushing those unrec buttons?


Mad,

This might just be the best post I've ever seen of yours and easily the best argument I've seen for stopping the raping of public education yet. Churches are re-opening their failing religious schools with the same students, staff, admin, etc., getting a charter and then raping the taxpayers by renting out a space they never recieved rent before and taking tuition and pocketing the difference while simultaniously benefiting from a tax free status.

It ain't double dipping, it's triple dipping.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 10:30 AM
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8. It is serious stuff. Using taxpayer money so carelessly.
Yet the educational policies of this administration are giving such power to charter schools that they pretty much do as they like.

Continuing the pattern.... four new ny charter schools will have religious affiliations

"Four of the 27 new charter schools opening in New York City this fall have ties with religious organizations, although leaders assert curriculum and instruction will be secular.

Supporters say the new schools are a welcome addition amid overcrowded classrooms and heightened demand for charters, especially in neighborhoods with low-performing schools. But the development blurs the line between church and state, and also calls into question the distinction between public education and private groups, an issue with which charter schools already contend.

Four pastors are involved in starting charter schools, which receive public funding but can be privately run."


It's dangerous stuff, and they are doing it right out in the open.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 06:12 AM
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16. Sick, isn't it?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 10:45 AM
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9. More details on the spending. Also half a million in court fees.
Edited on Thu Oct-14-10 10:50 AM by madfloridian
Think about it. Charters around the country are suing school districts for various reasons. It is costing taxpayers money wherever it happens.

It seems like planned legal battles against public education. Organized.

http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20101007/NEWS/10070325

"The hearings took two years to complete, produced 2,000 pages of transcripts, more than 130 exhibits, and led to 106 proposed findings of fact, said Litts. The hearings — and related lawsuits in the Monroe County Court of Common Pleas and in federal court — cost taxpayers about a half-million dollars in fees paid to lawyers for both sides, expert witnesses, the hearing officer and outside public relations and advertising.

Public money for church

Facts that compelled the board to reach its conclusion, as recounted by Litts, centered on using public money to benefit the church in several ways:

* $900,000 in taxpayer money to make improvements to the church property
* $920,000 in annual rent paid to the church by the charter school
* Nearly $125,000 to build a gymnasium floor with the name of the church painted on the floor and used by church groups after hours; and
* $39,000 to install an electronic message board featuring the name of the church that ran religious messages."
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 11:23 AM
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10. Thank you, MF for your persistence on this issue. It's a mighty money wave washing over us.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 11:43 AM
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11. Taxes (or lack thereof)?
A secular landlord would have to pay property taxes on the property, and income taxes on the revenue, among other things and depending on the particulars. A church? Not so much.

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Count Olaf Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 11:57 AM
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12. THIS is the whole reason they are pushing for Charters
It is so obvious.

Everyone says the schools have no money, well that is not the way these greedy assholes see it. The schools already get a lot of money, it just doesn't go where it needs to be and the problem is only going to get worse.

I cannot believe this is really happening. Are they really going to get away with this? They just 'shock and awe' us with so many issues, we are all divided so they get away with everything?

There is something terribly wrong with this country.

And THANK YOU for your constant attention and raising awareness of this issue!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 02:22 PM
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13. It's scary how many lawsuits are going on now against public school districts.
I am trying to gather some of the info together. It appears to be used as another way to break the back of public education.
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Count Olaf Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 04:10 PM
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14. Kick this people!
:kick:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 09:53 PM
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15. Thanks for the k.
It's really upsetting how quickly public money has been turned over to privately run schools and churches.

It has happened with not a single Democratic leader speaking out against it.
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Reader Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 06:50 AM
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17. So much for separation of church & state!
And no one will do anything about it. I listen to progressive radio, and they are utterly silent on this subject. It's demoralizing.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 02:24 PM
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19. knr. a lot of this in the charter picture. good way to aid the fundies.
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