Ever see the movie Fog of War?

[lonestarnot]

You will have confirmed what you've known all along and it will piss you off even more.

[Ian David]

1. You should also watch "Hearts and Minds." n/t

[lonestarnot]

3. I will put it on the list. And thanks IanDB1

[jonnyblitz]

2. I saw it in the theater when it first came out. Good movie.

Robert McNamara makes me think of George Tenet for some reason.

[dave_p]

4. Heard it

Haven't seen it, but I heard it on killradio mixed with (among other things) Motorcycle's "As the rush comes" (Gabriel & Dresden chillout mix), which works far better than you can imagine: very powerful.

And very depressing. We all compromise with evil, it's how we get by in a fucked-up world. We weave little defensive myths to shield us from the implications of our actions and omissions. I couldn't have stopped it... better to be in the gang, putting the brake on excesses... nobody told me...

And next thing you know there's three million dead at your feet. I guess stuff happens. And of course we couldn't have done anything about it. Could we?

[Nickster]

5. I still have it saved on my TIVO. I kept getting the sensation that McNamara and Rumsfeld would have

a lot to share.